General Brexit discussion thread

[Sheepy]

my daughter tells me the vast majority of the shite in the ocean which washes up on our lochs and beaches are from 5 rivers in africa and asia such as the nile and mekong  , which are used as refuse tips by the locals.



It will never stop until they clean up their act.



feckin hell sheep , where ye been? Yev gone all tree hugger on us! ::

Nah,just things I notice,unless you are all thinking Elon will be inviting you on his Mars trip,which has no breathable oxygen or drinkable water as such.No Oceans or trees.

[Thomas]

You might be right,I don't see the Americans giving up their gas guzzling pick ups and cars in a hurry,or the growing Chinese and Indian economies throwing in the towel either,but I do agree planting trees and cleaning up the Ocean which is 50% of your oxygen.Is something that can be done,I guess telling the Americans that the only way the dollars survives is because of oil and their constant wars for it,I guess they know that anyway.

my daughter tells me the vast majority of the shite in the ocean which washes up on our lochs and beaches are from 5 rivers in africa and asia such as the nile and mekong  , which are used as refuse tips by the locals.



It will never stop until they clean up their act.



feckin hell sheep , where ye been? Yev gone all tree hugger on us! ::

[Sheepy]

No it wont , because oil is of far more use than simply burning it in engines.

You might be right,I don't see the Americans giving up their gas guzzling pick ups and cars in a hurry,or the growing Chinese and Indian economies throwing in the towel either,but I do agree planting trees and cleaning up the Ocean which is 50% of your oxygen.Is something that can be done,I guess telling the Americans that the only way the dollars survives is because of oil and their constant wars for it,I guess they know that anyway.

[Thomas]

LOL a massive armoury,that made me smile,the other day I had a long chat with a Greenpeace operative,very interesting,I might add.We certainly found more to agree on than disagree about.According to the government oil will be worthless in the next 20 years.

No it wont , because oil is of far more use than simply burning it in engines.



Dont you worry though sheep , theres no danger of me giving up my wee gas cadac barbecue and going full on real log fire when im away caravaning.



Did i tell you im pushing emissions even further by buying a large home cadac barbecue as well?



There will be a feckin hole in the ozone layer above ma hoose wae all the gas and leccy thats being used on a daily basis.At the rate my family are going , we will need our own gas pipeline from the north sea , a small nuclear reactor , a solar farm and maybe a windturbine or two in my backgarden to cope.

[Sheepy]

Not really sheep. Im merely trying to help our dim witted friend stevlin.



You see , stevlin wants to divide the uk up into constituent nations , when it suits of course , to show where money is being spent.



He then goes on demanding when it comes to showing where the wealth is produced , we mustnt divide the uk up as its the uk s money.



I like renewable energy. Im all for it. To me  , its just another weapon in our massive armoury.



Despite this , im no treehugger. Im all for extracting as much oil as we possibly can , just like our oil rich neigbour across the north sea.

LOL a massive armoury,that made me smile,the other day I had a long chat with a Greenpeace operative,very interesting,I might add.We certainly found more to agree on than disagree about.According to the government oil will be worthless in the next 20 years.Electricity generation has changed almost completely in the last 15 years in the UK alone.Which is in my opinion doing the things you can change,not what you cannot.He left a populist,or he had seen the light.

[Thomas]

For Scottish nationalist,who talks a lot about the great way the Scots have taken up renewable energy,you all sure keep blabbing on about oil.Which always seems a bit at odds with each other.

Not really sheep. Im merely trying to help our dim witted friend stevlin.



You see , stevlin wants to divide the uk up into constituent nations , when it suits of course , to show where money is being spent.



He then goes on demanding when it comes to showing where the wealth is produced , we mustnt divide the uk up as its the uk s money. ::  :roll:



I like renewable energy. Im all for it. To me  , its just another weapon in our massive armoury.



Despite this , im no treehugger. Im all for extracting as much oil as we possibly can , just like our oil rich neigbour across the north sea.

[Sheepy]

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As usual , stevlin is as slow as a week in the jail.



Certainly no one is surprised on this forum , as they know i was having a debate about it with significant nick the other week.



Pardon us stevlin while everyone has a giggle behind your back. :roll:  ::

For Scottish nationalist,who talks a lot about the great way the Scots have taken up renewable energy,you all sure keep blabbing on about oil.Which always seems a bit at odds with each other.

[Thomas]

I very much doubt that surprises anybody.

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As usual , stevlin is as slow as a week in the jail.



Certainly no one is surprised on this forum , as they know i was having a debate about it with significant nick the other week.



Pardon us stevlin while everyone has a giggle behind your back. :roll:  ::

[Thomas]

When the oil runs out  has sod all to do with the 'ownership' of the oil fields.

Who has suggested it does?



Are you just filling in white spaces now with any irrelevant gibberish you can think of to deflect from the fact your argument is in pieces as ever?



We have established who own the oil fields as it currently stands. A two year old could tell you that stevlin. However , is you wish to talk about one constituent part of the uk as it currently stands finances , thats my country , then you have to allocate our geographical share of oil and gas , and not cherry pick the bits you like to attempt to make us look bad.

[Thomas]

Again, as usual, absolutely irrelevant to the point under discussion....

its very relevant to the points under discussion , or are you that slow witted you cant follow the cut and thrust of debate on a thread?



Heres what you said earlier :roll:

- so you needn't treat the oil revenue as being down to Scottish prowess - you can claim those oil fields as Scottish, if/when you gain independence.....assuming there is some left then.

and i replied...

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lets see. The "oil will run out debate" for busy people stevlin...........



The oil will run out by 1994."

(Labour MP Tony Benn, May 1979)



"The oil will run out by 2000."

(Labour MP Ioan Evans, February 1980)



"Oil and gas will run out by the end of the 1980s."

(Tory MPs Timothy Eggart and Peter Rost, January 1982)



"Oil will be running out by 1989."

(Labour MP Jeff Rooker, April 1984)

Do you understand the point being made ?



You hinted the oil will run out soon , with the insinuation it will be worthless to you jocks.



I replied with quotes , that we have been getting told the oil will run out for over forty years.



Everyone knows , and i certainly do better than you , that the era of cheap oil from relatively shallow waters is coming to an end. We are now moving onto drilling in deep waters for harder to get to oil .The oil has a long way to go yet , and oil isnt the point of indy , merely the icing on the cake.



So save your "assuming there is some oil left" shite for the gullible who actually believe the shite  you talk  stevlin.

[Thomas]

Again, as usual, absolutely irrelevant to the point under discussion....which is that UNTIL Scotland becomes independent, it is BRITISH, NOT Scottish oil....yes, most of the oil is in Scottish territory.....but THAT currently means it is UK territory...

Using the quote tags , please quote me where i have suggested otherwise?



No cant as far as i can see in the history of interwebby forums has ever suggested as things currently stand , north sea oil is anything other than uk oil at present.



Stop deflecting onto utter pish no one has suggested to save face from your limp wristed arguments.



However if you want totalk about scotlands finances , either as part of the uk , or independent of the uk , then the oil has to be included as scotland will own 60% northe sea gas and 96% north sea oil as a geographic share covered by our EEZ under UNCLOS 2 of which westminster is a signatory.



Even if you go down the tory blair route of trying to "steal" a bit more , by using a median line instead of abiding by UNCLOS 2 , scotland would still have 45% of north sea gas and 81% north sea oil. Not including anything in the in scotlands EEZ west of shetland in the atlantic such as claire ridge.



Your whole limp wristed pathetic argument basically is a bleat about cherry picking parts of scotlands finances to make us look bad , while ignoring the vast array of assets and mineral wealth  , not to mention the fact overall scotland is a net contrbiutor to the uk finances and has been for centuries.



Would you accept me talking about englands finances , but leaving out 80% of your economy , which is financial services to make you look bad? Or saying england cant include financial services because it belongs to the uk?



Its a ridiculous position for you  to take , just like on most subjects we talk about .



So lets reiterate what i am saying for you stevlin as i know you are very hard of understanding and a bit slow witted.



No one is saying north sea oil as it stands is anything other than uk oil. If however you wish to talk about my countries finances , a constituent nation sadly at present of the uk , then you have to allocate our geographical share of mineral wealth , and not cherry pick things to suit your pishy argument.



Wether we are in the uk or out of it.

[Stevlin]

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lets see. The "oil will run out debate" for busy people stevlin...........

Again, as usual, absolutely irrelevant to the point under discussion....which is that UNTIL Scotland becomes independent, it is BRITISH, NOT Scottish oil....yes, most of the oil is in Scottish territory.....but THAT currently means it is UK territory...

[Stevlin]

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lets see. The "oil will run out debate" for busy people stevlin...........

Again, as usual, absolutely irrelevant to the point under discussion....which is that UNTIL Scotland becomes independent, it is BRITISH, NOT Scottish oil....yes, most of the oil is in Scottish territory.....but THAT currently means it is UK territory...

[Stevlin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Na ... of_the_Sea">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea



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lets see. The "oil will run out debate" for busy people stevlin...........

When the oil runs out  has sod all to do with the 'ownership' of the oil fields.

[Stevlin]

:roll:  ::



Thanks stevlin , i never knew that. ::

I very much doubt that surprises anybody.