Migrant rescue service

[Nalaar]

OH NO YOU DONT.

There is a PERFECTLY "Humane" answer to this.

You know when you get the feeling that you know where a post is going from the offset...

And then blow up the boats trying ot work round the sysyetm.

And yep there it is...

I'd submit that murdering people isn't humane or compassionate, and I think you know that too. 

[papasmurf]

Can't help thinking all this .Send the Navy, Ex  Marine Running the show , Stuff  still doesn't do much more other than let the public    think that Some kind of military solution is possible.
Only if the French , are up for a combined military solution, could it be a part of a solution, because it certainly will never be  the solution. It's the traffickers on the French side that need shutting down, it's the dingy s in French water that should be rescued .
We can't operate on French territory ,on land or sea. And through it all there is an international obligation to rescue these people by both nations once they get on the water that will not go away. So outside of giving the impression of being really forceful , is this just  an  expensive attempt  to cover the holes in the capabilities of border control?

Given the Rigid Inflatable Boats being used by illegal immigrants recently which are invisible to Radar and given how few ship the navy has it is cloud cuckoo land to think the navy can do any good.
Those RIBs also recently seem to be kitted out with very powerful outboard engines which if spare fuel were carried that can get across the Western end of the  Channel where I live in less that five hours completely undetected, step ashore and disappear.

[Sheepy]

Can't help thinking all this .Send the Navy, Ex  Marine Running the show , Stuff  still doesn't do much more other than let the public    think that Some kind of military solution is possible.
Only if the French , are up for a combined military solution, could it be a part of a solution, because it certainly will never be  the solution. It's the traffickers on the French side that need shutting down, it's the dingy s in French water that should be rescued .
We can't operate on French territory ,on land or sea. And through it all there is an international obligation to rescue these people by both nations once they get on the water that will not go away. So outside of giving the impression of being really forceful , is this just  an  expensive attempt  to cover the holes in the capabilities of border control?

At a guess somebody has noticed they have been taking the easy option and not fulfilling what they are paid to do, so at another guess, they will be having stern words with the French.

[Good old]

Can't help thinking all this .Send the Navy, Ex  Marine Running the show , Stuff  still doesn't do much more other than let the public    think that Some kind of military solution is possible.
Only if the French , are up for a combined military solution, could it be a part of a solution, because it certainly will never be  the solution. It's the traffickers on the French side that need shutting down, it's the dingy s in French water that should be rescued .
We can't operate on French territory ,on land or sea. And through it all there is an international obligation to rescue these people by both nations once they get on the water that will not go away. So outside of giving the impression of being really forceful , is this just  an  expensive attempt  to cover the holes in the capabilities of border control?

[Sheepy]

https://www.rt.com/uk/497531-migrant-boats-commander-invasion/
So don't be trying to pull the wool over sheep brains eyes.

[Sheepy]

While also these poor vagabonds, who have no money and only the clothes they stand up in, manage to pay traffickers about a bag of sand a piece so I am informed and find their way across Europe eating well on the way. which allegedly La Farage caused uproar by calling thousands of people in boats crossing the channel an invasion. Debateable I would hazard a guess, because the last time thousands were lined up ready to cross the channel in boats it was called an invasion and the Dads army were ready.

[johnofgwent]

Migrants and their traffickers don't give a f**k about UNHCR treaty declarations. So sitting behind our keyboards lamenting the fact that migrants don't settle in the first safe country they set foot in is pointless. It's governments that need to act together. I doubt even acting unilaterally and putting physical barriers along the English coast would work...

Well, I'll take this last point separately.

And point to the fact Ghadaffi used to shoot the traffickers at the Libyan Border with Mali and leave their bodies to rot and their bones to bleach in the desert sun, as a hint  Some twats had him killed and then the floodgates opened.

[johnofgwent]

OH NO YOU DONT.

There is a PERFECTLY "Humane" answer to this.

FORCE those seeking asylum to do so in the first country they arrive in where they are no longer persecuted by the state.

MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR that failure to do so removes all possible hope of aid from them.

PROCESS their claims quickly and then USE the UNHCR treaty declarations we and all the EU and half the rest of the democratic world HAVE agreed to to distribute those whose cases have been found genuine around the various signatory countries.

And then blow up the boats trying ot work round the sysyetm.

No, It's not as leftard and woke as you would like, but you don't get to declare forcing those who seek asylum to prove their problem to be "inhumane"

If it is/was as easy as that, why hasn't it happened? After all, not all European governments and international bodies are Left Wing and Marxist. Not even the UK could summon enough anti-immigrant supporters to man the barricades along the sea shores to push the migrants back into the sea.

The problem has to be handled by implementing international agreements, not just making them.

Others probably see the UK's problem as minor:
The UK is among the least affected, with 3580 migrants crossing the channel this year — though 155 have been returned to "mainland Europe":
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53699511

Since January 2020, more than 39,000 migrants have crossed the MED — Greece has had 10,899, Italy 14,288, and Spain 11,557:
https://data2.unhcr.org/en/situations/mediterranean

Migrants and their traffickers don't give a f**k about UNHCR treaty declarations. So sitting behind our keyboards lamenting the fact that migrants don't settle in the first safe country they set foot in is pointless. It's governments that need to act together. I doubt even acting unilaterally and putting physical barriers along the English coast would work...

well, one of the MAIN reasons is the government that was in charge for most of the time we were dragged from an EEC to an EU did not WANT to do this because they NEEDED the illegals to come here, settle down and kiss labour arse to stay. I'm sure YOU can read the newspaper admissions from Mandelson that this was Labour's plan all along as well as I can.

Then we have the case of Phil the election expense Fiddler Woolas. Immigration Minister until 2010 who suddenly realised the BNP were actually getting damn close to the number of votes needed to get a regional seat in the welsh assembly who SUDDENLY and "Inexplicably" changed his tune demanding the immigrants seeking asylum do so in the first safe country they arrived at, and the EU should spend funds making the tribunals to decide their status happen THERE, and also started to spout off very loudly that the entire residency of the shit hole known as "le jungle" (whom one of our old sites senior members was PROUD to say he HELPED arrive here TOTALLY ILLEGALLY) be arrested and carted off, so as to show the problem was actually the FRENCH COURTS who would release them on a technicality. And lo and behold when they were so arested, said courts did just that.

[Sheepy]

Well that is a few posts one can get their teeth into, sure to cause a ruck, I am still trying to work out how they get all those boats after getting across Europe in a pandemic while being escorted by the French until the UK border force is ready to take over. I might be a while, I haven't considered yet that after arriving to the waiting tea and sandwiches they are given hotel rooms and although obviously not always 5 star they start stabbing people if it isn't 5 star service.

[patman post]

OH NO YOU DONT.

There is a PERFECTLY "Humane" answer to this.

FORCE those seeking asylum to do so in the first country they arrive in where they are no longer persecuted by the state.

MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR that failure to do so removes all possible hope of aid from them.

PROCESS their claims quickly and then USE the UNHCR treaty declarations we and all the EU and half the rest of the democratic world HAVE agreed to to distribute those whose cases have been found genuine around the various signatory countries.

And then blow up the boats trying ot work round the sysyetm.

No, It's not as leftard and woke as you would like, but you don't get to declare forcing those who seek asylum to prove their problem to be "inhumane"

If it is/was as easy as that, why hasn't it happened? After all, not all European governments and international bodies are Left Wing and Marxist. Not even the UK could summon enough anti-immigrant supporters to man the barricades along the sea shores to push the migrants back into the sea.

The problem has to be handled by implementing international agreements, not just making them.

Others probably see the UK's problem as minor:
The UK is among the least affected, with 3580 migrants crossing the channel this year — though 155 have been returned to "mainland Europe":
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53699511

Since January 2020, more than 39,000 migrants have crossed the MED — Greece has had 10,899, Italy 14,288, and Spain 11,557:
https://data2.unhcr.org/en/situations/mediterranean

Migrants and their traffickers don't give a f**k about UNHCR treaty declarations. So sitting behind our keyboards lamenting the fact that migrants don't settle in the first safe country they set foot in is pointless. It's governments that need to act together. I doubt even acting unilaterally and putting physical barriers along the English coast would work...

[Good old]

   


In 20 weeks  time Or before .Will we sort this out , properly sorted. Meaning  put an end to the migrants ,and the French, taking the piss out of us by the bucketful. Serious question.

[papasmurf]

Seems nobody has a humane answer to this

Well executing the traffickers would save a lot of lives.

[johnofgwent]

Seems nobody has a humane answer to this — across the Med, the Indian Ocean, South China Sea, etc.
There was an international outcry when the Australian Navy opened fire on a boat loaded with asylum seekers 20 years ago. Now it offloads them to the Pacific island nation of Nauru and Manus Island in Papua New Guinea.
The EU and the UK don't appear to have such places to outsource their illegals to...

OH NO YOU DONT.

There is a PERFECTLY "Humane" answer to this.

FORCE those seeking asylum to do so in the first country they arrive in where they are no longer persecuted by the state.

MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR that failure to do so removes all possible hope of aid from them.

PROCESS their claims quickly and then USE the UNHCR treaty declarations we and all the EU and half the rest of the democratic world HAVE agreed to to distribute those whose cases have been found genuine around the various signatory countries.

And then blow up the boats trying ot work round the sysyetm.

No, It's not as leftard and woke as you would like, but you don't get to declare forcing those who seek asylum to prove their problem to be "inhumane"

[patman post]

Seems nobody has a humane answer to this — across the Med, the Indian Ocean, South China Sea, etc.
There was an international outcry when the Australian Navy opened fire on a boat loaded with asylum seekers 20 years ago. Now it offloads them to the Pacific island nation of Nauru and Manus Island in Papua New Guinea.
The EU and the UK don't appear to have such places to outsource their illegals to...

[Good old]

The vessels should be taken into tow and returned to their point of embarkation.

Agreed, preferably by the French.