Scotland will have to hand over Cataluña exile

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Barry

#18
November 07, 2019, 10:14:05 AM
They probably want them locked up before the elections on Sunday.
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Churchill

#17
November 07, 2019, 08:33:30 AM
Indeed a very good question have they leaned on their Judiciary to issue this warrant highly likely IMO
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Streetwalker

#16
November 07, 2019, 05:59:26 AM
I think 'more proof ' may  be roughly translated to who is issuing the warrant , the Spanish judiciary or the Spanish government ?

Churchill

#15
November 06, 2019, 08:10:23 PM
:lol:



If the EU would kick us out I for one would be delighted, the Spanish have extradited quite a lot of our villains back to the UK over the years, as I understand it the UK is asking for more proof in this political case
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Streetwalker

#14
November 06, 2019, 08:03:55 PM
Surprised we have not collaborated with the Spanish on this given past EAW that have seen brits exported to European jails on little evidence but I guess the key word is Brits .



We could get kicked out of the EU over this ... :dncg:

Churchill

#13
November 06, 2019, 07:56:30 PM
I thought so as well , I like Catalonia and the people I met there over the last few years
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Barry

#12
November 06, 2019, 07:42:56 PM
Quote from: Churchill post_id=4368 time=1573065111 user_id=69
Just on Yahoo about 10 mins ago



Britain won't act on European arrest warrant for Catalan separatist https://news.yahoo.com/britain-wont-act-european-arrest-181150121.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=tw">https://news.yahoo.com/britain-wont-act ... soc_trk=tw">https://news.yahoo.com/britain-wont-act-european-arrest-181150121.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=tw via @Yahoo

Excellent news, Churchill!  :)
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Churchill

#11
November 06, 2019, 06:40:01 PM
Quote from: Javert post_id=4351 time=1573061022 user_id=64
I think I've posted before that I'm not familiar enough with the Spanish Catalonia situation to judge in detail.



I am also not 100% sure whether the EU arrest warrent triggers an automatic process governed by EU treaties, on the assumption that any nation that is allowed to be a member of the EU must have a fair justice system, or, whether the UK has the possibility to rule an extradition as not appropriate.



I also don't know enough to be sure whether these folks are completely innocent of everything other than supporting Catalonian independence.  I guess I would wonder what we would say in this country if London held an illegal vote on whether to split from the UK and then illegally declared itself a separate state, or if for example Spain refused to extradite an IRA member.  It may not be as simple as it seems.



That said, my gut feel would be that charging these people with sedition will merely inflame the situation and encourage more people to fight for Catalan independence, but that is based on very little detailed knowledge of the situation.


This should help bring you up to date re events in Catalonia



https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/50043206">https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/50043206



As for European Arrest Warrants they are valid right across the EU,t as far as I am aware the country where the wanted person is arrested on that warrant has to agree to extradite that person if their nations Court permits it to happen
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Churchill

#10
November 06, 2019, 06:31:51 PM
Just on Yahoo about 10 mins ago



Britain won't act on European arrest warrant for Catalan separatist https://news.yahoo.com/britain-wont-act-european-arrest-181150121.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=tw">https://news.yahoo.com/britain-wont-act ... soc_trk=tw">https://news.yahoo.com/britain-wont-act-european-arrest-181150121.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=tw via @Yahoo
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Javert

#9
November 06, 2019, 05:23:42 PM
I think I've posted before that I'm not familiar enough with the Spanish Catalonia situation to judge in detail.



I am also not 100% sure whether the EU arrest warrent triggers an automatic process governed by EU treaties, on the assumption that any nation that is allowed to be a member of the EU must have a fair justice system, or, whether the UK has the possibility to rule an extradition as not appropriate.



I also don't know enough to be sure whether these folks are completely innocent of everything other than supporting Catalonian independence.  I guess I would wonder what we would say in this country if London held an illegal vote on whether to split from the UK and then illegally declared itself a separate state, or if for example Spain refused to extradite an IRA member.  It may not be as simple as it seems.



That said, my gut feel would be that charging these people with sedition will merely inflame the situation and encourage more people to fight for Catalan independence, but that is based on very little detailed knowledge of the situation.

Churchill

#8
November 06, 2019, 02:20:35 PM
I read an article the other day regards this Clara Ponsatí  IMO is a brave woman she knows that she faces up to 15 years in prison if extradited to Spain,, now it will be down to a Scottish Court to decide if she sent is sent back or not, I hope the Court refuses to extradite her
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cromwell

#7
November 06, 2019, 10:30:45 AM
I would love to see our remainer posters views on this issue
Energy....secure and affordable,not that hard is it?

Barry

#6
November 06, 2019, 10:27:36 AM
Quote from: Streetwalker post_id=4239 time=1573020631 user_id=53
Looks like they are all going back to Madrid

I think they will save their host countries any embarrassment by giving themselves up to the local police. All rather sad really.

As Thomas says, reactions vary from "ze law must be enforced" to "shame on the EU and Spain for ignoring freedom of the people to decide their own future".

Is the law always right? Maybe we shall see the law changed in Spain, as their constitution CAN be changed. They have a young democracy and they probably fear the earthquake of revolution or civil war, all in living memory.
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Thomas

#5
November 06, 2019, 08:14:19 AM
Quote from: Barry post_id=4210 time=1572989718 user_id=51
https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/11/05/inenglish/1572963492_124633.html">//https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/11/05/inenglish/1572963492_124633.html



Toni Comín and Lluís Puig fled to Belgium with Carles Puigdemont, the ex-premier who led the failed breakaway bid from Spain, while Clara Ponsatí went to Scotland. Their lawyer, Gonzalo Boye, said on Tuesday that his clients will voluntarily walk into a police station "as soon as we receive the summons."

Clara Ponsatí is the chair of economics at the university of St Andrews, Fife.

This is an utter disgrace. Using the European Arrest Warrant to treat people who are fighting for independence as if they are serious criminals or murderers.

The EWA would be fought on the grounds that the offence is an offence in Spain but not in Scotland if it were issued for the Cataluña independence issue. However, they are using charges relating to using government funds for their independence cause.



It stinks.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50299391[/url]


point out barry , the labour party  , that great bastion of comradeship , workers of the world uniting etc etc etc :barf: has been either silent on the clara ponsati issue ( and wider catalonia), or highly critical of her remaining in scotland.



Tweet from ian murray labour mp...

https://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/thelaw1.jpg">





QuoteScottish Labour – with the sole honourable exceptions of MEPs Catherine Stihler and David Martin – have been almost totally silent as decent humans across the world have condemned Spain's brutal oppression and persecution of the entirely peaceful and democratic Catalan independence movement.



(Imprisoning all your political opponents on trumped-up charges of treason of course being Rule 1, Clause 1, Paragraph 1 of "Fascism For Beginners", closely followed by trashing polling stations and beating seven bells out of passive protestors.)



Incredibly, on the few occasions anyone from the party HAS spoken out, it's been to defend the Madrid government as it arrests and imprisons democratically-elected politicians for the medieval crimes of "rebellion" and "sedition" because they carried out the policies they stood for election on, citing "the rule of law" as their justification.
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https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-rule-of-law/">https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-rule-of-law/



This is an article from merely last march showing labours utter hypocrisy on clara ponsati.
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Streetwalker

#4
November 06, 2019, 06:10:31 AM
Quote from: cromwell post_id=4214 time=1572991947 user_id=48
Well this is a test of what's right and in this case Spain should be told to do one.


The European arrest warrant once issued requires the UK (or any other EU country ) to detain the suspect and send them to the country issuing the warrant .

Its what we are signed up to as EU members .



Of course if we were outside the EU we could tell Spain as you suggest Cromwell to 'do one'  but unfortunately for the Catalans the withdrawal agreement states that any warrant issued before the end of the transition period (???) will be valid .



  Looks like they are all going back to Madrid
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