Oh dear Jezza admits

[Thomas]

Who says it is ok? As Corbyn himself said, one anti-semite is one too many. That does not excuse totally exaggerating the scale of the problem, as you appear to think it does.

You exagerrated the scale of the problem when you pretended to me and cromwell on here thats it didnt exist in labour simply because you hadnt personally seen it or some other such pathetic cop out.

The true scale of the anti semitic problem in labour was somewhere between the ott headlines in the media  and the flat out in denial of cult members like yourself .

The laughable thing for the vast majority of us non momentum cult members is the fact your beloved party is full of the very same "bigots" that you like to smear the rest of us with , when you run around calling us racist , xenophobes and all the rest when we dont vote labour.

[Borg Refinery]

It says Nescafé on the side of a bus but you don't get a cup when you get on!

What about 350million quid?

[Nick]

As Corbyn himself said, one anti-semite is one too many.

It says Nescafé on the side of a bus but you don't get a cup when you get on!

[srb7677]

So it's all OK because it was only a little bit of antisemitism? Strange reasoning...

Who says it is ok? As Corbyn himself said, one anti-semite is one too many. That does not excuse totally exaggerating the scale of the problem, as you appear to think it does.

[Borg Refinery]

Don't remember endorsing the view that any antisemitism should be ignored. Though I did query the apparent trend of thought that it was better, or mattered less, depending on whether it was Labour or the Conservatives being antisemitic.

My impression is that in the past it was probably more effectively enacted by the likes of golf clubs and "Christian" hotels and boarding houses, the managements or owners of which were more likely to be Empire-ist Tory supporters — the characters of Alf Garnett and Rigsby come to mind.

Sure, but did you mention anti-semitism in the Tories before? I have because I chose to, not because people mentioned Labour.

Where did you mention it?

I mentioned before that Corbyn is linked with the guys he was pictured with etc, never denied that. And I never denied the anti semitism allegations or are you saying I did now?

"What he's saying is that it was whipped up. It's true but whipped up"

What more do you want?

I don't see that it matters, but I didn't vote Conservative because Labour was so entrenched that only a world-shattering upset was likely to unseat her, which could then have brought in a Green, LibDem, Brexit or Renew — they did all increase their shares of the vote in 2019.
As it was, Conservatives got 11.9% of the vote, Green 8.8% and LibDem 7.5%.
Abbott was returned with (a slightly reduced) 70.3%...

Oh I forgot about that, for what it's worth, she's a decent local politician. Fair enough anyway.

[patman post]

Yes that does appear to be what you're saying; that you clearly don't care about Tory anti semitism and only use Lab anti semitism to make a political point.

I thought you voted for them didn't you? Now you back Starmer? But before that you were Tory?

Very stokey 'liberal' style.

Don't remember endorsing the view that any antisemitism should be ignored. Though I did query the apparent trend of thought that it was better, or mattered less, depending on whether it was Labour or the Conservatives being antisemitic.
My impression is that in the past it was probably more effectively enacted by the likes of golf clubs and "Christian" hotels and boarding houses, the managements or owners of which were more likely to be Empire-ist Tory supporters — the characters of Alf Garnett and Rigsby come to mind.

I don't see that it matters, but I didn't vote Conservative because Labour was so entrenched that only a world-shattering upset was likely to unseat her, which could then have brought in a Green, LibDem, Brexit or Renew — they did all increase their shares of the vote in 2019.
As it was, Conservatives got 11.9% of the vote, Green 8.8% and LibDem 7.5%.
Abbott was returned with (a slightly reduced) 70.3%...

[Borchester]

He also introduces a group of characters as "pikeys", a slur for Travellers.

No, Traveller is a slur for pikey. I know this because my grandfather was the former but always claimed to be the latter. Folk will always do business with a gypo, but they regard travellers as people who can't hold their liquor and are only interested in stripping the lead off church roofs. That was not entirely true of course because grandpa Jack could drink any six men under the table.

[Borg Refinery]

So it's only a minor irritation — only to be used when making political points

Yes that does appear to be what you're saying; that you clearly don't care about Tory anti semitism and only use Lab anti semitism to make a political point.

— because the Tories have been found to be antisemitic too?
Sounds very much like LibDem positioning...

I thought you voted for them didn't you? Now you back Starmer? But before that you were Tory?

Very stokey 'liberal' style.

[patman post]

So it's only a minor irritation — only to be used when making political points — because the Tories have been found to be antisemitic too?
Sounds very much like LibDem positioning...

[Borg Refinery]

Well you did say the Jewish lobby lies about everything, so srb's in good company, however..

So it's all OK because it was only a little bit of antisemitism? Strange reasoning...

No he never said it was OK, that's an almost Javert level misrepresentation.

What he's saying is that it was whipped up. It's true but whipped up


Try to understand I no longer give a shit, as Corby and Hodgie have done some fairly horrific things, but the fact is anti-semitism exists far more in the Tories but where's your indignation about that?

Don't believe me?

From the Jewish Chronicle:

Boris Johnson depicted Jews as controlling the media and being able to "fiddle" elections in a novel he wrote when he was a backbench Conservative MP, it has been revealed.

In Seventy Two Virgins, which Mr Johnson wrote in 2004, he described a situation in which people suggest "maybe there was some kind of fiddling of the figures" in an election by "oligarchs" of "Jewish origin."

The passage, revealed by the Independent amid an election where Labour's antisemitism has been a major issue, was from a part of the story in which countries around the world are made to vote on whether Guantanamo Bay prisoners should be released.

Mr Johnson wrote: "And the news from the voting was still bad for America, though not as bad as it had seemed at first. Some countries, such as Saudi Arabia were reporting almost 100 per cent insistence that the prisoners be sent home.

"But there were odd pockets of support for the President. He might have thought that Russia, after her humiliation in the Cold War, would take the chance to put her boot on the neck of the old adversary.

"But no, the Russians had their problems with Islamic terror. Maybe there was some kind of fiddling of the figures by the oligarchs who ran the TV stations (and who were mainly, as some lost no time in pointing out, of Jewish origin), but it seemed that Russia, one of the most populous countries in the world, was voting heavily for America."

Mr Johnson, who visited Grodzinski Bakery in Golders Green on Friday in a bid to woo voters in Finchley and Golders Green, also described a Jewish character called Sammy Katz, as having a "proud nose and curly hair."

He described the character as someone who "relied on immigrant labour" and visits the red light district in search for "a bit of black".

The prime minister also described the Jewish character as having the eyes of an "unblinking snake" and someone who sends his son "pathetic presents, every five years, of low-denomination bills".

Mr Johnson, who was an MP and shadow minister for the arts when the book was published, has been criticised for his depiction of a Jewish character as an unethical businessman with a large nose, who exploits immigrant workers and black women.

Andrew Gwynne, Labour's Shadow Communities and Local Government Secretary, said: "Boris Johnson's writing invokes some of the oldest and most pernicious antisemitic tropes about Jewish people controlling the media, and associating Jewish people with shady business, financial greed and being responsible for oppression and exploitation.

"This rhetoric fuels prejudice towards Jewish people. These are his own words as a narrator, not those of a character and he wrote them while he was an MP and a Conservative Shadow Minister."

Elsewhere in the book is a portrayal of a fictional terror attack on Westminster in which Mr Johnson describes Kosovan Muslims as having "hook noses."

He also introduces a group of characters as "pikeys", a slur for Travellers.

Christine Jardine, the Liberal Democrats' equalities spokesperson, told The Independent: "The rise of anti-Jewish hatred must be condemned, wherever and whenever, and in all its forms. Boris Johnson has once again demonstrated that he is not fit to be Prime Minister."

The Conservative party, which is investigating three parliamentary candidates over antisemitism - including one MP hopeful who allegedly liked a Nazi slogan on Facebook, has been approached for comment.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/labour-attacks-boris-johnson-for-novel-that-depicted-jews-as-fiddling-elections-1.494175

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Conservative_Party

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-antisemitism-political-parties


"The graph suggests that 32 per cent of Labour supporters agreed with one of the antisemitic statements they were presented with. That's somewhat lower than Conservative supporters (40 per cent)."

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/conservatives-investigate-candidates-over-antisemitism-372239/amp

Argue with the truth all you like, the truth remains; your interpretation of it is flawed, or more accurately, myopic

[Sheepy]

So it's all OK because it was only a little bit of antisemitism? Strange reasoning...

Pat sounds more like DelBoy every day, for fecks sake Pat spit it out, we have one saying it wasn't all bad and another saying it was all lies anyway.

[patman post]

Concerns about anti-semitism were not exaggerated. They have after all been very much whipped up. The actual scale of anti-semitism itself though has been, as Jeremy Corbyn reiterated when he stated that the vast majority of party members are not anti-semites.

You need to actually understand what is being said before you accuse anyone of backtracking. It is all quite clear in the language. Corbyn has drawn a distinction between the scale of actual anti-semitism, and the concerns about it. It was simple clarification which appears to have fooled lots of people into thinking it a retraction.

Which is quite funny actually.

So it's all OK because it was only a little bit of antisemitism? Strange reasoning...

[cromwell]

Concerns about anti-semitism were not exaggerated. They have after all been very much whipped up. The actual scale of anti-semitism itself though has been, as Jeremy Corbyn reiterated when he stated that the vast majority of party members are not anti-semites.

You need to actually understand what is being said before you accuse anyone of backtracking. It is all quite clear in the language. Corbyn has drawn a distinction between the scale of actual anti-semitism, and the concerns about it. It was simple clarification which appears to have fooled lots of people into thinking it a retraction.

Which is quite funny actually.

Well I'm not laughing,anyway the post wasn't intended for you but someone else further west.

[srb7677]

That labour anti semitism wasn't exaggerated,I predict disappointment in the West Country https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54972649

Concerns about anti-semitism were not exaggerated. They have after all been very much whipped up. The actual scale of anti-semitism itself though has been, as Jeremy Corbyn reiterated when he stated that the vast majority of party members are not anti-semites.

You need to actually understand what is being said before you accuse anyone of backtracking. It is all quite clear in the language. Corbyn has drawn a distinction between the scale of actual anti-semitism, and the concerns about it. It was simple clarification which appears to have fooled lots of people into thinking it a retraction.

Which is quite funny actually.

[Borg Refinery]