Tony B Liar the immunoligist

[HDQQ]

So Tony Blair's suggestion turns out to be similar to what's now going to happen. I don't suppose there's any connection between the two things because Blair probably wasn't the person who thought of the idea of lengthening the interval between the first and second doses. I'm guessing he heard of the idea from people in the know and thought it sounded sensible. Let's hope it is sensible.

[Good old]

im sure everyone trusts tony good old.



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/10/tony-blair-secretly-advising-emmanuel-macron-brexit-former-pm/

I don't trust the Tories or their pet dog, the Torygraph. Impossible to know the truth behind this story. A problem that applies to so much more the rag churns out.
Unlike  the story concerning Blair,  advocating the roll out of one dose of Astra Zeneca, vaccine, where we now know the criticism shown in the OP was not warranted as it was incorrect. As what he suggested is now , to be government policy in the use of the vaccine.

[Thomas]

Yeah, pretty much ... !!!!

i see the germans are extremely angry about the slow start to their vaccination campaign and apparently the eu holding them back....

Germans eye other countries' Covid vaccine campaigns with envy

   The German government is facing awkward questions about why the country that developed the first approved Covid-19 vaccine has so few supplies of the jab, with vaccination rates in Germany lagging far behind the US, UK and Israel.

   Germans have been angered by statistics showing that more than 640,000 people have already received the Covid-19 jab in Israel, compared with only about 60,000 in Germany. Rates of inoculation are also much higher in the UK, which started vaccinations earlier than the EU, and the US. Yet Germany is the home of BioNTech, which developed the Covid-19 vaccine together with Pfizer.

https://www.ft.com/content/c0ae3056-ac74-4171-b7bc-5e84fd203f3b

[johnofgwent]

interesting john , so the answer is as you and the article say , we still dont know , like pretty much everything during this whole covid 19 episode?

Yeah, pretty much ... !!!!

[Thomas]

Who to trust on this or any other issue is for every individual to sort out. But as things stand, the government has been advised and  is fully behind getting one dose of this stuff into as many people as possible .Just as Blair, suggested, In the expectation of turning the table on COVID , We will see , but there must be some definite benefit in following that policy, as it now turns out it was ,as Blair said a possible way of dealing with this.

im sure everyone trusts tony good old.

Tony Blair has been accused of "unacceptable" behaviour after it emerged he has been briefing Emmanuel Macron on how to force Britain to stay in the EU.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/10/tony-blair-secretly-advising-emmanuel-macron-brexit-former-pm/

[patman post]

He says we should give everyone a single shot now.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/covid-vaccine-tony-blair-coronavirus-b1777845.html
Mike Yeadon the ex-Pfizer expert posted on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1341541550451552258
He really is a very stupid person. Immunisation doesn't work well after one dose. You almost might as well pour it down the sink if you just give one dose & not the booster. We've no clinical evidence supporting one dose, Mr Blair. But I can guess what will happen. Nothing.

Which just goes to show, Blair can't be trusted. I wonder how much the Indy paid him to write that rubbish.

Seems like Blair's team was briefed by experts and ran ahead of officialdom in pointing out that even one dose can provide protection — could this have been a ploy to kick-start those ditherers in govt, who are still in shock after the disasters of their panic when they realised they hadn't acted quickly enough at the outset?

LONDON (Reuters) - One dose of Oxford/AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine is around 70% effective after 21 days and before the second dose is given
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-astra/one-dose-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-should-be-70-effective-after-21-days-uk-medical-adviser-idUSKBN294142

It is much better to vaccinate as many people as possible with one dose, than half that number of people with two doses in the next few months
https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-rea

...based on advice from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, the aim now is to give as many vulnerable people some protection from Covid-19, irrespective of the jab they are given.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55280671

A first dose of the jab gives around 70% effectiveness from three weeks after immunisation, according to the MHRA and the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI).
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-approved-for-use-in-uk-12155958

One dose effectiveness had been covered in The Lancet of 8 December in discussing Safety and Efficacy of some vaccine trials — though it takes a bit of searching for and winkling out...
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32661-1/fulltext#tbl2

[Good old]

Who to trust on this or any other issue is for every individual to sort out. But as things stand, the government has been advised and  is fully behind getting one dose of this stuff into as many people as possible .Just as Blair, suggested, In the expectation of turning the table on COVID , We will see , but there must be some definite benefit in following that policy, as it now turns out it was ,as Blair said a possible way of dealing with this.

[papasmurf]

Picked it up listening to the health minister, speaking on ITV, and  SKY a news, this very morning. As with everyone I hope these are sources to put some trust in .

I don't trust the health minister as far as I could throw him. But I do trust the scientists who developed it. Who have not stated one vaccination is enough.
It still needs a 2nd dose three months later.

[Barry]

Picked it up listening to the health minister, speaking on ITV, and  SKY a news, this very morning. As with everyone I hope these are sources to put some trust in .

Some hope, unless they have suddenly changed!

[Sheepy]

where is he anyway sheep? still banned , hiding under his bed , or on here incognito as a different sock puppet?

Lurking with his other junior chums.

[Good old]

Please back that up with a reliable source, thank you.

Picked it up listening to the health minister, speaking on ITV, and  SKY a news, this very morning. As with everyone I hope these are sources to put some trust in .

[Thomas]

I just found this


https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/12/18/coronavirus-vaccine-single-dose-debate


I think the jury is still out myself, but I am now starting to see press coverage suggesting the Oxford vaccine is 'effective' after just one dose.


I of course need not worry about this, at least for s few months.

interesting john , so the answer is as you and the article say , we still dont know , like pretty much everything during this whole covid 19 episode?

The right answer, in other words, depends on science we haven't yet completed. For one, the protection from a single dose of Pfizer's vaccine hasn't been definitively tested. Scientists can only infer from the trial data that Pfizer's vaccine would provide protective antibodies to roughly half of people who get one dose.

But Dr. Chris Gill, an infectious disease specialist at Boston University, points out that a single injection of Pfizer's vaccine may be even more effective than this estimate suggests. Looking at data from a smaller window between the time the first injection should have started working and before the second injection kicked in, Gill says the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine may have an efficacy rate as high as 80 or 90% with just a single dose.

[Thomas]

Like I told that little scrote Che, you never know who is listening. It just so happens I do.

where is he anyway sheep? still banned , hiding under his bed , or on here incognito as a different sock puppet?

[johnofgwent]

Please back that up with a reliable source, thank you.

I just found this


https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/12/18/coronavirus-vaccine-single-dose-debate


I think the jury is still out myself, but I am now starting to see press coverage suggesting the Oxford vaccine is 'effective' after just one dose.


I of course need not worry about this, at least for s few months.

[Barry]

It's effective in one dose,

Please back that up with a reliable source, thank you.