Brexit "party" standing down

[Nick]

Johnson has indicated he will pursue a Canada ++ free trade deal with NO political alignment  to be completed by the end of the transition period 2020.  

Though the WA has some concerns for me Farage has handed the election to Johnson with this move IMO  which obviously  kills off the chances of Labours second referendum or the Liberals remain .



I guess Im happy that Brexit  (BJ version) is now more likely though I  foresee that we will have more battles to fight in the future . But at least we will be out and will be fighting those battles from a position of strength .



I wont though have anyone to vote for at the election .

With a majority government come the opportunity to go back and say, actually this was ok when we couldn't get no deal through but now we can we want a serious deal.



In fairness, with Boris's deal we are out the CU and SM, we can make trade deals and stop free movement but N.I is like 12 o'clock half struck. Again the DUP will feel pissed off but for NI they have the best of both worlds. Access to both the UK's open market and the EU's closed markets.



As for voting, LD'S are a no no, Labour a joke and BXP only if you have one.  Got to be Boris as we get Brexit and you know the Conservatives look after the economy. I'm sure the socialists will disagree but that's why they are socialists, they want an unobtainable utopia where everyone shares. 😂

[BeElBeeBub]

Our position will be stronger because our stand will be sort out a free trade deal by the end of next year or at the end of the transition we finally go our separate ways without any formal deal . And this time we mean it .

Ok, to clarify, this implies a couple of assumptions:



1) no deal brexit is a "scary" enough prospect for the EU that it will make them abandon their current demands (NI, divorce bill, citizens rights) and agree to UK demands



2) their current adherence to the above demands is because that, although terrified of "no deal", they have never yet believed it will occur



3) whilst no deal is terrifying for the EU to cause (1) it is of no major concern to UK - at least not enough to deter the UK from brexit



Are 1, 2 & 3 a reasonable distillation of your position?

[Streetwalker]

All of the above relies on trusting BJ.



48hrs ago NF was still declaring the BJWA "not proper brexit".  Nothing has changed in the texts.  The *only* thing that has changed is BJ's assurances about what he intends (eg no extension etc).



BJ has a very bad track record of keeping his word to a very long list of people.  Any reason NF or you are different?



The stand down decision is helpful to Cons but not entirely. Because the BXP are still standing in non-tory seats they are still cannibalising Con votes in seats they need to win. It will come down to if the BXP steals votes more from the Cons than the Labs in any given constituency.  If Lab lose 10% but the Cons lose 15% in a Lab seat the cons still win.  Plus it makes the Con/BXP link explicit which may well push some moderate Con voters to LibDem.  Overall a mixed bag. The bigger decider will be if labour stand down in favour of the LDs in a few seats.



As for after brexit. We will still have all the same negotiations to go through (so end of 2020 FTAs is pie in the sky) but why would our position be stronger?

Indeed trusting Boris Johnson to deliver Brexit does go against the grain but given the alternative I have to trust him to move us in the right direction . Johnson has now put his political life on delivering Brexit and that should ,I say should mean given a majority in parliament that  he carries it out .



Brexit party will hopefully pick up a couple of seats from Labour ,the conservatives will  pick up a couple of seats from labour and the liberal democrats will pick up a couple of seats from labour . As you say a mixed bag ,but a mixed bag with less red in it .



Our position will be stronger because our stand will be sort out a free trade deal by the end of next year or at the end of the transition we finally go our separate ways without any formal deal . And this time we mean it .

[Borchester]

Johnson has indicated he will pursue a Canada ++ free trade deal with NO political alignment  to be completed by the end of the transition period 2020.  

Though the WA has some concerns for me Farage has handed the election to Johnson with this move IMO  which obviously  kills off the chances of Labours second referendum or the Liberals remain .



I guess Im happy that Brexit  (BJ version) is now more likely though I  foresee that we will have more battles to fight in the future . But at least we will be out and will be fighting those battles from a position of strength .



I wont though have anyone to vote for at the election .

Pretty much my way of thinking although come the day I will probably hold my nose and vote Tory.



Whatever deal Boris cuts his main concern will be to retain his core vote, which will be heavily inclined towards Brexit. So in moments of stress he will storm off to Brussels and demand ever more concessions, which will be good for the UK and very probably the EU as well.



As I may have mentioned before, BoJo is an amoral arsehole, but he is an intelligent amoral arsehole  who knows that his political survival relies upon keeping the UK out of the EU, so I am not overly bothered by his WA.

[BeElBeeBub]

Johnson has indicated he will pursue a Canada ++ free trade deal with NO political alignment  to be completed by the end of the transition period 2020.  

Though the WA has some concerns for me Farage has handed the election to Johnson with this move IMO  which obviously  kills off the chances of Labours second referendum or the Liberals remain .



I guess Im happy that Brexit  (BJ version) is now more likely though I  foresee that we will have more battles to fight in the future . But at least we will be out and will be fighting those battles from a position of strength .



I wont though have anyone to vote for at the election .

All of the above relies on trusting BJ.



48hrs ago NF was still declaring the BJWA "not proper brexit".  Nothing has changed in the texts.  The *only* thing that has changed is BJ's assurances about what he intends (eg no extension etc).



BJ has a very bad track record of keeping his word to a very long list of people.  Any reason NF or you are different?



The stand down decision is helpful to Cons but not entirely. Because the BXP are still standing in non-tory seats they are still cannibalising Con votes in seats they need to win. It will come down to if the BXP steals votes more from the Cons than the Labs in any given constituency.  If Lab lose 10% but the Cons lose 15% in a Lab seat the cons still win.  Plus it makes the Con/BXP link explicit which may well push some moderate Con voters to LibDem.  Overall a mixed bag. The bigger decider will be if labour stand down in favour of the LDs in a few seats.



As for after brexit. We will still have all the same negotiations to go through (so end of 2020 FTAs is pie in the sky) but why would our position be stronger?

[Streetwalker]

Johnson has indicated he will pursue a Canada ++ free trade deal with NO political alignment  to be completed by the end of the transition period 2020.  

Though the WA has some concerns for me Farage has handed the election to Johnson with this move IMO  which obviously  kills off the chances of Labours second referendum or the Liberals remain .



I guess Im happy that Brexit  (BJ version) is now more likely though I  foresee that we will have more battles to fight in the future . But at least we will be out and will be fighting those battles from a position of strength .



I wont though have anyone to vote for at the election .

[BeElBeeBub]

Thoughts?



I know several here were planning on voting for the BXP.



Happy because it might make a BJ brexit more likely?



Angry because it might make a BJ brexit more likely?