The Joe Biden thread

[srb7677]

Well when Srb quotes the idiot vote he means anyone who voted for trump and in this country anyone who voted brexit or disagrees with him.

I do take issue though with the idea that the yanks have a liberal education system,in parts maybe.

Actually I don't think that everyone who voted for Brexit is an idiot. I don't think you are any kind of idiot for starters.

You are jumping to loaded conclusions about me that conform to your political prejudices.

[cromwell]

I would say that anyone that believes in QAnon  theories doesn't need to be influenced by anything from Mr Putin. Once again the US is more than capable of being dumb on its own without passing the credit to the efforts of an adversary. Personally I put it down to a total failure of decades of Liberal Education.

Well when Srb quotes the idiot vote he means anyone who voted for trump and in this country anyone who voted brexit or disagrees with him.

I do take issue though with the idea that the yanks have a liberal education system,in parts maybe.

[Sampanviking]

But you fail to take into account the fact that one of the larger voting blocs in any electorate tends to be the idiot vote.

I mean look at all the ridiculous t**** believing that obvious Qanon rubbish. And you think such people would be immune to much clever propaganda by Putin and others?

I think you are displaying wilful naivete.

I would say that anyone that believes in QAnon  theories doesn't need to be influenced by anything from Mr Putin. Once again the US is more than capable of being dumb on its own without passing the credit to the efforts of an adversary. Personally I put it down to a total failure of decades of Liberal Education.

[srb7677]

I rather suspect that the majority of US voters could work out that voting Hilary would be a mistake all by themselves and without any assistance from Mr Putin.

But you fail to take into account the fact that one of the larger voting blocs in any electorate tends to be the idiot vote.

I mean look at all the ridiculous t**** believing that obvious Qanon rubbish. And you think such people would be immune to much clever propaganda by Putin and others?

I think you are displaying wilful naivete.

[Sampanviking]

I doubt very much whether Hillary Clinton would have won any crushing victory. In many ways she was an unsuitable candidate herself. But she would probably have marginally edged it is my guess.

But who knows? After all whilst Russian state attempts to mess with American public opinion cannot really be denied, how successful their propaganda and fake news on social media was at actual persuasion is open to question and a matter of opinion. This is because whilst the fact of Russian interference has been investigated, there have been no effective studies of to what degree any opinions were changed by it.

I rather suspect that the majority of US voters could work out that voting Hilary would be a mistake all by themselves and without any assistance from Mr Putin.

Mind you, even if Russian Interference was real, it would still only be sauce for the Gander, wouldn't it?

[srb7677]

So, do you believe that had it not been for the Russians that Hillary would have walked it?

I doubt very much whether Hillary Clinton would have won any crushing victory. In many ways she was an unsuitable candidate herself. But she would probably have marginally edged it is my guess.

But who knows? After all whilst Russian state attempts to mess with American public opinion cannot really be denied, how successful their propaganda and fake news on social media was at actual persuasion is open to question and a matter of opinion. This is because whilst the fact of Russian interference has been investigated, there have been no effective studies of to what degree any opinions were changed by it.

[Sampanviking]

There was far more evidence for Russian involvement in the 2016 election than there ever was for voter fraud in 2020, which Trump himself - and his supporters - presented zero evidence of. Your attempt at moral equivalence will please the usual right wing nuts around here, but are in fact risible.

Not that I have any illusions about Biden as any kind of saviour. He is a neo-liberal centrist, somewhat akin to our Tony Blair. But Trump and his behaviour were so atrocious that Biden represents a massive improvement by comparison.

As for Obama, he achieved relatively little in large part due to a hostile and obstructive, Republican-dominated, senate, the real enablers of Trump. Though the democrats contributed too by putting up Hillary Clinton rather than someone more inspiring and radical.

So, do you believe that had it not been for the Russians that Hillary would have walked it?

[srb7677]

I really don't like Biden (not that I really liked Trump either) he presents like some slimy TV Evangelist and we all know that he is the business as usual candidate for the same old interests.

He is just a continuation of the Obama administration and has lot of the same old faces in it. It was of course the Obama administration that gave us Trump (by reaction) in the first place.

Will Holy Joe; Business as Usual, Biden save America - not in your wildest fecking dreams. His party took the first big steps into instability by trying to deligitimise the Trump Presidency by claiming Russian Interference, Trump returned the compliment by calling the Biden victory fraudulent. Net result, each half of American society hates the other half.
This is not about to go away or even slowly get better. It is going to get worse and worse, the more radical the Biden program, the faster it will happen.

There was far more evidence for Russian involvement in the 2016 election than there ever was for voter fraud in 2020, which Trump himself - and his supporters - presented zero evidence of. Your attempt at moral equivalence will please the usual right wing nuts around here, but are in fact risible.

Not that I have any illusions about Biden as any kind of saviour. He is a neo-liberal centrist, somewhat akin to our Tony Blair. But Trump and his behaviour were so atrocious that Biden represents a massive improvement by comparison.

As for Obama, he achieved relatively little in large part due to a hostile and obstructive, Republican-dominated, senate, the real enablers of Trump. Though the democrats contributed too by putting up Hillary Clinton rather than someone more inspiring and radical.

[Thomas]

I really don't like Biden (not that I really liked Trump either) he presents like some slimy TV Evangelist and we all know that he is the business as usual candidate for the same old interests.

He is just a continuation of the Obama administration and has lot of the same old faces in it. It was of course the Obama administration that gave us Trump (by reaction) in the first place.

Will Holy Joe; Business as Usual, Biden save America - not in your wildest fecking dreams. His party took the first big steps into instability by trying to deligitimise the Trump Presidency by claiming Russian Interference, Trump returned the compliment by calling the Biden victory fraudulent. Net result, each half of American society hates the other half.
This is not about to go away or even slowly get better. It is going to get worse and worse, the more radical the Biden program, the faster it will happen.

Completely agree sampan.

[Sampanviking]

I really don't like Biden (not that I really liked Trump either) he presents like some slimy TV Evangelist and we all know that he is the business as usual candidate for the same old interests.

He is just a continuation of the Obama administration and has lot of the same old faces in it. It was of course the Obama administration that gave us Trump (by reaction) in the first place.

Will Holy Joe; Business as Usual, Biden save America - not in your wildest fecking dreams. His party took the first big steps into instability by trying to deligitimise the Trump Presidency by claiming Russian Interference, Trump returned the compliment by calling the Biden victory fraudulent. Net result, each half of American society hates the other half.
This is not about to go away or even slowly get better. It is going to get worse and worse, the more radical the Biden program, the faster it will happen.

[Thomas]

Calling Biden a left wing loony is risible. He is far more of a centrist.

Genuine attempt to engage with you here steve , o/t  , but if ever you get a chance , i urge you to read this book , and maybe the scales will fall from your eyes on why your london centric party is so detested by the real working class across these islands...

Despised: Why the Modern Left Loathes the Working Class

The typical contemporary Labour MP is almost certain to be a university-educated Europhile who is more comfortable in the leafy enclaves of north London than the party's historic heartlands. As a result, Labour has become radically out of step with the culture and values of working-class Britain.

Drawing on his background as a firefighter and trade unionist from Dagenham, Paul Embery argues that this disconnect has been inevitable since the Left political establishment swallowed a poisonous brew of economic and social liberalism. They have come to despise traditional working-class values of patriotism, family and faith and instead embraced globalisation, rapid demographic change and a toxic, divisive brand of identity politics. Embery contends that the Left can only revive if it speaks once again to the priorities of working-class people by combining socialist economics with the cultural politics of belonging, place and community.
No one who wants to really understand why our politics has become so dysfunctional and what the Left can do to fix it can afford to miss this authentic, insightful and passionate book.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Despised-Modern-Loathes-Working-Class/dp/1509539999/ref=asc_df_1509539999/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=430916450797&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1947983955940905313&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007420&hvtargid=pla-930260952862&psc=1&th=1&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=97419295902&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=430916450797&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1947983955940905313&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007420&hvtargid=pla-930260952862

Before labour can even begin to understand the constitutional issues in england like brexit , and scottish indy  in scotland , you have a mountain to climb on almost every other issue where your parties london centric leadership is completely out of step with the old working class values.

Great book.

[srb7677]

Well, now we have the stupidity of the ultra-liberal loonies.
He has written into law that anyone can be a man one day, a woman the next and a man the day after.
https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2021/01/bidens-lgbtq-executive-order-is-just-the-start-here-are-the-other-pro-equality-actions-the-administration-is-taking/
Nothing could go wrong with that. And he says male rapists who say they are women should go to a women's prison.

Trump was what he was, and you knew what you were getting.
Biden and Harris are rapidly bringing into law the left wing loonie policies the electorate in the USA voted for.

Calling Biden a left wing loony is risible. He is far more of a centrist.

[Barry]

Comparing apples and oranges like this is ridiculous. Compared to Trump, what on earth has Biden had the chance to do to merit impeachment? This is obviously the work of a partisan right wing nutter - who appears to have sympathisers on this right wing jerk circle of a forum unsurprisingly - and will go precisely nowhere.

The only real news here is the further evidence of stupidity in some sections of the American right.

Well, now we have the stupidity of the ultra-liberal loonies.
He has written into law that anyone can be a man one day, a woman the next and a man the day after.
https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2021/01/bidens-lgbtq-executive-order-is-just-the-start-here-are-the-other-pro-equality-actions-the-administration-is-taking/
Nothing could go wrong with that. And he says male rapists who say they are women should go to a women's prison.

Trump was what he was, and you knew what you were getting.
Biden and Harris are rapidly bringing into law the left wing loonie policies the electorate in the USA voted for.

[johnofgwent]

Well, doesn't the constitution declare all their citizens have the absolute right to waste every penny of their (and anyone else's they can get their hands on) money on pointless, wildly expensive, litigation ...


Who is this Joe Biden Bloke anyway ?

[Thomas]

Well, the answer is, don't get politically polarised, it is way past that for Americans.

SRB wants to talk about yank politics ,as his beloved labour are in a mess over here , so its a good we distraction to take his mind off his own troubles.

i love this comment though sheep.

The only real news here is the further evidence of stupidity in some sections of the American right.

Steve has obviously never met a yank democrat  , who are more to the right on many issues than the uk conservatives