labour whining about coal mine and how they are seen as a result of this

[Thomas]

Strategic genius' Starmer, who needs to win back working class, calls in elitist who said appealing to working class is waste of time

What an out of touch champagne socialst middle class london muppet that guy starmer really is.

https://skwawkbox.org/2021/02/14/strategic-genius-starmer-who-needs-to-win-bacl-working-class-calls-in-elitist-who-said-appealing-to-working-class-is-waste-of-time/

Mandelson the saviour of new new labour. You couldnt make it up.

[Thomas]

Sir keir knight of the realm right wing starmer , steve srbs hero , has already broken most of the pledges he made to gain the labour leadership , so dont be surprised if labour get elected in 2024 if he rolls back on any pledges regarding brexit and takes the uk back into the EU by hook or by crook.

Fact Check: Yes, Keir Starmer has broken or rowed back on a large proportion of his Labour Leadership Pledges already

It's been just over 7 months since Keir Starmer was elected leader of the Labour Party. However, despite winning over a convincing majority of Labour members back in April, and pulling level with the Tories in the polls, the former Director of Public Prosecution's performance since his election victory has bitterly divided opinion within the party.

Key to Starmer's successful leadership campaign were his 10 key pledges, with the Holborn and St Pancras MP promising members he would maintain the vast majority of Jeremy Corbyn's policy platform – especially in areas such as the economy, climate change and social justice, as well as keeping many of the party's recent stances in areas such as immigraton, foreign policy and human rights.

https://evolvepolitics.com/fact-check-yes-keir-starmer-has-broken-or-rowed-back-on-a-large-proportion-of-his-labour-leadership-pledges-already/


Steve srb constantly on this forum moaning about the tories and the nasty "snakepit " of a right wing forum while remaining completely silnet about the nasty snakepit of a party he is a member and devout supporter of , headed by a right wing clique.

What a feckin hypocrite that guy is.

[Thomas]

Good old working class sir keir........

Keir Starmer is backed by 'Progress' (Labour to win) which is funded by Peter Mandelson.

Bombs and Blairites - the continuing adventures of New Labour's old boys

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/bombs-and-blairites-continuing-adventures-new-labours-old-boys

Right-wing Progress and Labour First back Starmer, Phillips to 'reclaim' Labour for the right

https://skwawkbox.org/2020/01/03/right-wing-progress-and-labour-first-back-starmer-phillips-to-reclaim-labour-for-the-right/


What i want to know is how come steve srb "lover of free speech " isnt telling us all these things about labour ? Especially as they are headed by the very right wing small c tories of the party that steve tells us he hates?

[Thomas]

...and back to the old story of how starmer insisted that brexit could still be stopped which was the main catastrophic tactic behind labours humiliation in the 2019 general election.

So beware voting for pro eu starmer if you want to stay out of the eu in 2024....

Labour splits erupt as Keir Starmer defies Jeremy Corbyn to insist Brexit 'can be stopped'

A Brexit rift at the top of Labour has once again burst into the open as Keir Starmer defied Jeremy Corbyn and declared that the process "can be stopped".

The Shadow Brexit Secretary told Sky News that Britain's exit from the EU could be reversed, just days after the Labour leader insisted it would go ahead.

In an interview with German magazine Der Spiegel published last week, Mr Corbyn had said: "We can't stop it. The referendum took place. Article 50 has been triggered. What we can do is recognise the reasons why people voted Leave."

And the Labour leader last night urged his party to focus on how to "bring people together".

But this morning, Sir Keir contradicted his party leader, saying: "Well, Brexit can be stopped. But the real question is what are the decisions we are going to face over the next few weeks and months."

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-splits-erupt-as-keir-starmer-defies-jeremy-corbyn-to-insist-brexit-can-be-stopped


Labour is the party of remain, says Keir Starmer

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/27/labour-is-the-party-of-remain-says-keir-starmer-brexit

[Thomas]

Keir Starmer & 171 Lab MPs took part in the anti-Corbyn coup 2016.

"Tony Blair says he wouldn't want a left-wing Labour party to win an election"

Mandelson: "I am working every day to bring down Jeremy Corbyn" Feb 2017

Jonathan Ashworth: Dec 2019

https://order-order.com/2019/12/10/ashworth-civil-service-machine-will-move-quickly-safeguard-national-security-corbyn/

Mandelson: "I am working every day to bring down Jeremy Corbyn"

Lord Mandelson has revealed the scale of his opposition to Jeremy Corbyn by saying he is working "every single day" to bring to an end his leadership.

The ally of Tony Blair and former business secretary criticised Corbyn who, he claimed, had "no idea" of how to put himself forward for election as a leader in the 21st century.

Mandelson has been a public critic of Corbyn since the veteran left-wing first won the top job in autumn 2015 but last night's strongly-worded attack was one of his most direct so far.

https://labourlist.org/2017/02/mandelson-i-am-working-every-day-to-bring-down-corbyn/

[Thomas]

Blairites raise £250,000 war chest to fight Corbyn

A group of leading Blairite figures has raised a war chest of more than £250,000 to battle against Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader.

Labour Tomorrow was launched last month by Lord Blunkett, the home secretary under Tony Blair, and Baroness Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, a former trade union general secretary, to boost "mainstream Labour causes" and reenergise the centre of the party.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/blairites-raise-250-000-war-chest-to-fight-corbyn-xdnvxjmv9

Anti-Corbyn Labour officials worked to lose general election to oust leader, leaked dossier finds

Call for investigation into 'possible misuse of funds' by senior officials on party's right wing

Labour party officials opposed to Jeremy Corbyn worked to lose the 2017 general election in the hope that a bad result would trigger a leadership contest to oust him, a dossier drawn up by the party suggests.

A huge cache of leaked WhatsApp messages and emails show senior officials from the party's right wing, who worked at its HQ, became despondent as Labour climbed in the polls during the election campaign despite their efforts.

The unreleased report, which The Independent has seen in full, was drawn up in the last days of Mr Corbyn's leadership and concerns the conduct of certain officials, including some who were investigating cases of antisemitism in the party. Labour has confirmed the document is a genuine draft, though it is not clear who it was commissioned or written by.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leak-report-corbyn-election-whatsapp-antisemitism-tories-yougov-poll-a9462456.html


Couple of old articles on starmer and the blairite clique now back in charge of labour doing everything they could to stab corbyn in the back as we all know , but amusingly , srb steve remains silent as ever on this fact.

Blind party loyalty  , to a clique that srb used to tell us he hated , outweighs any general criticism of the blairites back in charge of labour , and on the another thread steve makes a futile dig about other people not loving free speech?

If i was a member of a party that couldnt tolerate freedom of speech and criticism of the party leadership , then that isnt a party i could remain part of for long.

As ever from labour and their supporters , its their hypocrisy on any and every subject that sickens the majority of us to the core.

[Thomas]

Because a lot of people have been taken in by populist bollocks

Whats starmers half hearted waving of the union jack then if not apealing to populist bollocks as you put it?

racism and xenophobia in some quarters

Yawn. Those two words that get bandied about when labour and their supporters run out of arguments.

Talk about pot calling kettle black , when it comes to anti semitic labour lecturing others about prejudice.

New Labour has a lot to answer for

Yawn. The ever recurring theme in all your posts , it wasnt my labour.....it was a different labour that caused those problems.

Not everyone will be.

New polling analysis and projection, ComRes, 4th-9th of February 2021

Holyrood seats projection:
SNP ~ 71
Conservative ~ 24
Labour ~ 19
Green ~ 11
Lib Dem ~ 4

Labour and their leader still struggling in the polls in both scotland and england.

what did burns say......."facts are chiels that winnae ding!"

[Nick]

https://youtu.be/bi2_2ogPMvo

[srb7677]

If modern Labour were "for the many", then how come the many have overwhelmingly rejected them in those places in favour of parties whose embrace of identity politics is less all pervasive?

Because a lot of people have been taken in by populist bollocks with tinges of racism and xenophobia in some quarters. New Labour has a lot to answer for here because for too long they ignored too many of the concerns of ordinary people and thus left the field open to the populists.

But even when we genuinely try to address legitimate concerns you are just more interested in pouring buckets of shit over us for it. You are a lost cause. Not everyone will be.

[srb7677]

Where have I claimed to speak for Thomas and Cromwell?

Where have either Thomas, Cromwell or myself said that jobs, employment rights and housing "don't matter"?

[DeppityDawg]

When I point out that these things matter to me and many in the Labour party you accuse us of talking down to people then bleat on about identity politics shit instead. Whether or not such issues matter to you, you react badly to it when Labour wants to do anything about it, almost angrily so. What kind of fecking impression do you think that gives? It is hardly a supporting one.

I also note you claim to speak for all three of you. Are you their spokesman now? Talk about the three wise feckin monkeys.

No Steve, I don't accuse labour of talking down to people if and when they talk about those problems, or of solutions to them. I accuse labour of talking down to people because of its attitude (or rather that of specific MPs or senior members). Identity politics is embedded in the Labour party (including class by definition) and theres nothing more irritating than Emily Thornberry and other assorted university educated Islington "socialists" telling the working class what is "good for them". Your own signature sums this attitude up. It's simply a virtue signal to show people how "nice" you are, and it's never occured to you that the "many" don't give a flying feck what you claim to be "for". Action defines us, and Labour were in power in Scotland and large parts of the industrial north and midlands for decades. If modern Labour were "for the many", then how come the many have overwhelmingly rejected them in those places in favour of parties whose embrace of identity politics is less all pervasive? You can keep ignoring the argument Steve but it's not going away, and you will not get elected until your party grasps this.

Yet again you duck and swerve the points put to you and defend identity politics by calling any opposition to it "shit" which shows your position clearly. You are unable to grasp that a large part of the population find this deeply troubling, which is why Starmer is trying to present himself in front of the . The problem is that this malaise is so deeply embedded in the party now that many former Labour party voters have given up on it. That is an incontrovertible fact.

Where have I claimed to speak for Thomas and Cromwell? Not that I expect you to answer any of the questions or points put to you, but it simply demonstrates how you move from one accusation to the next without addressing the responses.

[Nick]

There is a housing crisis because supply has not kept up with demand. Not enough have been built. Too many people are making too much money out of skyrocketing prices and rents. Social housing supply has actually declined.

The population has increased by 7 million in the last 15 years, most of it is immigration, that's 650 homes needing to be built every day to cope.

Who and where are you going to fit these homes? Feel free to take a few in if you're that concerned.

[Streetwalker]

There is a housing crisis because supply has not kept up with demand. Not enough have been built. Too many people are making too much money out of skyrocketing prices and rents. Social housing supply has actually declined.

There is virtually zero unemployment in the construction industry even given the mass immigration of construction workers from the Eu and elswhere .  So who exactly is supposed to be building all these houses to keep up with demand ?   Immigrants need houses as much as anyone else . People are moving in before the paints dry

Social housing and affordable housing is a different matter  . As Ive alluded before my labour council gave millions to its own building company (thats not a misprint) to build affordable housing and has not only failed miserably but been a major contributor to virtually bankrupting the council .

https://insidecroydon.com/2020/03/27/brick-by-brick-ceo-says-company-has-sold-6-houses-or-is-it-5/

[srb7677]

This is where you don't get it: There is no housing crisis, there is no NHS crisis. There is a too many people in the country crisis.

If you go on holiday, buy 20 cheap T shirts and they won't fit in your suitcase, is your suitcase too small? That's what you're saying.

There is a housing crisis because supply has not kept up with demand. Not enough have been built. Too many people are making too much money out of skyrocketing prices and rents. Social housing supply has actually declined.

[srb7677]

A rant? Why is challenging you to answer the fecking points put to you a rant? Where have either Thomas, Cromwell or myself said that jobs, employment rights and housing "don't matter"? Where? Where have any of us said these issues are "not important"? Answer the fecking question instead of ducking it again.

When I point out that these things matter to me and many in the Labour party you accuse us of talking down to people then bleat on about identity politics shit instead. Whether or not such issues matter to you, you react badly to it when Labour wants to do anything about it, almost angrily so. What kind of fecking impression do you think that gives? It is hardly a supporting one.

I also note you claim to speak for all three of you. Are you their spokesman now? Talk about the three wise feckin monkeys.