Mrs Thatcher Vs The Miners

[cromwell]

That doesn't explain anything: how were they left to rot when they all went back to work?

Who said it was immediate?.....there was denial that the industry was to be shut down and scargill was right despite all else and the govt of the day and bosses knew their intentions and lied about it.

Whatever else smurfy is correct many mining communities were left to rot and turned in to drug ridden dumps which were once proud working places.

[papasmurf]

I dare say that on the first day of the strike the mine owners went round Pappy's village and and  evicted all the collies, leaving the women and bairns to beg by the wayside. But the last deep coal mine was not closed until 2015.

You can't effing help it can you with the personal attacks and abuse? There were never any coal mines in Buckinghamshire. Most of the coal mines in the country did shut down over the next few years leaving the unemployed miners and the town/villages to rot.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3500979.stm

[papasmurf]

They didn't shut in 1985 when they went back to work.

They shut not long afterwards.

[Borchester]

Where do you get the idea they all went back to work from? A bit difficult with all the mines shut.

I dare say that on the first day of the strike the mine owners went round Pappy's village and and  evicted all the collies, leaving the women and bairns to beg by the wayside. But the last deep coal mine was not closed until 2015.

[Nick]

Where do you get the idea they all went back to work from? A bit difficult with all the mines shut.

They didn't shut in 1985 when they went back to work.

[papasmurf]

That doesn't explain anything: how were they left to rot when they all went back to work?

Where do you get the idea they all went back to work from? A bit difficult with all the mines shut.

[Nick]

The mining towns and villages were left to rot, with a legacy of a high number of drug addicts.

That doesn't explain anything: how were they left to rot when they all went back to work?

[papasmurf]

How about you qualify your position for a change?

The mining towns and villages were left to rot, with a legacy of a high number of drug addicts.

[Nick]

The ex miners were still left to rot.

How about you qualify your position for a change?

[papasmurf]

They held an illegal strike even though they were earning double anyone else. They gambled and lost, then they dropped a paving flag on innocent people from a motorway bridge. This took away any remaining support they had.

You're suggesting these were honourable men? They weren't, they were greedy and stupidly went along on Scargills crusade. All Maggie had to do was wait it out, wave a few Shekels under their greedy snouts and they all went back to work.

She had won and the unions were done up like a kipper.

The ex miners were still left to rot.

[Nick]

Retrained? They were left to rot.

They held an illegal strike even though they were earning double anyone else. They gambled and lost, then they dropped a paving flag on innocent people from a motorway bridge. This took away any remaining support they had.

You're suggesting these were honourable men? They weren't, they were greedy and stupidly went along on Scargills crusade. All Maggie had to do was wait it out, wave a few Shekels under their greedy snouts and they all went back to work.

She had won and the unions were done up like a kipper.

[Thomas]

Nor the point I was making Tommy. My point was that if we look at any event later than last night it is always through rose tinted lens tinged with beer fumes and coal dust.

Still dont get your replies to me borkie. Who is saying otherwise? Im certainly not.

Nick started the thread talking about how scargill/ miners strike ultimately led to the demise of labour , and im disagreeing with him and saying why.

The uk miners strike was ultimately a northern english event that largely passed scotland and the rest of england by . Thatcher is hated in scotland for many reasons , but the miners arent a major issue.

Thatcher won 28 % of the scottish vote in 1983 , and after the miners strike and scargill in between , by the next election thatcher had the tories vote share down another 4 % in scotland while labours had increased nearly double that percentage.

So im not sure how thatcher battling with scargill ultimately led to labours demise as nick initially said.

On the flip side of your coin regarding looking back through rose tinted glasses , again i agree , and its also said the victor re writes history in their favour.

I point out again , labours current malaise has many ingredients , but i dont think scargill figures in much of it , certainly not in scotland or any where else he wasnt really prominent.

The nub of nicks point seems to be scargill and the miners put people off socialism , well , thats no what im seeing. More like there isnt a proper socialst within a mile of the current labour party.

[B-4]

I have no doubt that this was an ideologically based assault on Industries and Communities in the North. Industries that most every other country would label as a "Strategic Interest".

The bizarre thing of course is that Maggie did the very trendy liberal set a great favour by removing a massive source of Greenhouse and other Climate Change gases for them. If she had not, you would now see the Green/Woke/Islington Labour set all lining up to do the very same thing!

Well, the opposition parties exist to play the blame game, and so long as that's happening then between them they can keep screwing things up.  I guess this is why I look upon party politics as something that is beneath me.  Not so much the concept, more of the proven reality in a country where two main parties work together to maintain the same agenda.  This is even demonstrated openly when they need to destroy a smaller party that poses a threat to their dominance. 

[Sheepy]

I have no doubt that this was an ideologically based assault on Industries and Communities in the North. Industries that most every other country would label as a "Strategic Interest".

The bizarre thing of course is that Maggie did the very trendy liberal set a great favour by removing a massive source of Greenhouse and other Climate Change gases for them. If she had not, you would now see the Green/Woke/Islington Labour set all lining up to do the very same thing!

It always seems with Maggies attack on the commies and Blairs we will change the face of the UK forever, hasn't worked out so well for the majority of people, I could be wrong of course.

[Sampanviking]

I have no doubt that this was an ideologically based assault on Industries and Communities in the North. Industries that most every other country would label as a "Strategic Interest".

The bizarre thing of course is that Maggie did the very trendy liberal set a great favour by removing a massive source of Greenhouse and other Climate Change gases for them. If she had not, you would now see the Green/Woke/Islington Labour set all lining up to do the very same thing!