Time to move on ?

[patman post]

well Pat it's not as though we haven't heard it all before is it?perfidious Albion,down the ages we've all been bastards always will be and everybody knows it throughout the world.
Still all our European neighbours are blameless paragons of virtue aren't they,never were colonialists  or murderous in any other way only those horrible Brits......well the English really.
P.S. Don't mention the war.

It doesn't matter whose fault it is, who's doing what to who, or who's calling who names — you just have to ask yourself one question (without excuses and prevarication). And that question is: is Brexit working out well...?

[GerryT]

Which is why article 16 was included in the agreement which suspends the protocol if the agreement isnt working out either economically or socially for unexpected reasons.
Every man and his dog knew the agreement would be implemented as agreed, otherwise why agree it, the UK are playing a game they can't win .

Fixed your post there.

As for Art 16 the intent is a country can take unilateral actions to protect against unexpected negative effects. But that's not what's happening, it was fully expected and written into the agreement that there would be checks between NI and GB, it was also expected that GB would gear up for this with customs officials, port infrastructure etc. but none of this has happened, the UK hasn't implemented it's side of the agreement which is causing the problems. So before the UK uses the excuse and triggering Art16 it should first man up and implement the NI protocol as it was agreed, then we can see if there are any problems. Just like Johnson prorogued parliament to get his way, illegally as it was later found, triggering Art 16 would be a similar tactic by Johnson. A gentleman's way of dealing with things as toot's would say.

[GerryT]

Isn't it interesting that the minute anyone calls the EU out there is always someone who puts it down to ignorance? Isn't it interesting that there are those who have marvelled already at the prospects for the UK economy revival against all the odds that we were threatened with because we didn't understand.

It is time now for us to stop talking and persuade them by our actions that we are OUT. We can't talk to them, they don't talk straight. We spent too long trying to find a middle ground and it doesn't exist. The EU are not friends with anyone unless it in their interest. All the smile hugs and handshakes are ridiculous and false they show their true colours as soon as they are questioned. They even want to cuddle up to Russia ignoring all the signs of menace. They seem to live with their eyes tightly shut and it will be their undoing.

Interestingly you'll be interested to know that I am relieved to have left and wish it was more complete and that's actually not patriotic, there are many things wrong here, but the EU political organisation is a king with no clothes.

There is an element of truth in what you say in bold. The EU is not a country, its a collection of countries that collaborate in a number of areas, most notably trade. It's not about being someone's friend, it's about trade and your error is thinking it would be middle ground, the balance point will be far in the EU's favor, only because the UK is small in comparison. Let's face it the UK isn't out looking for friends either, certainly not the way victorious Johnson and his merry band of incompetence go about things.

[GerryT]

This is the key point. As the EU has no fleet and we still utterly dominate the seas in our part of the globe, there's nothing the EU can do to hurt us. Meanwhile, we have enough dinghies for our troops to lead sorties and raids across the channel and of course, there's the vulnerable EU border in Northern Ireland.

Are you on medication

[GerryT]

I would be happy to implement the agreement if the EU did too. Didn't I read somewhere that of all the borders surrounding the EU they are creating more pathetic juvenile problems for Northern Ireland with pathetic working to rule checks and a vindictive attitude than anywhere else? Haven't reasonable top business men called the checks out for what they really are? Hasn't Ireland warped the EU's collective minds to the extent that they are set on creating a united Ireland by the back door regardless of the wants of the people of Northern Ireland?

No the EU is implementing the agreement, what did the UK think ? that the EU would make an agreement and then turn a blind eye as the UK does what it wants. That's not how the EU operates and the UK knows that. What your describing is UK exceptionalism. Are you suggesting that the EU ignores the rules on other borders ? care to expand on that ?
The UK agree that the NI situation needs to be protected, that's why Johnson made the deal with the EU and the UK parliament by a great majority signed-off on it. So what's the issue ?

Once more the EU makes an agreement with us and abuses it not because they have to but simply because they need to boost their own ego. Sadly the EU doesn't know what gentlemen are. No doubt when mayhem erupts once more and the 'troubles' restart the dear EU will run and hide with their virtual hands up pleading innocence leaving the South to carry the guilt. When are they going to realise that the EU doesn't care unless it's all playing their way? They are not to be trusted and never were.

You do have it backward, the EU and UK agreed a deal, the EU is implementing that deal, the UK aren't and you think the UK are the "gentlemen" in that situation. Then you suggest the troubles may restart, and why would that be, would it be because Johnson went to NI and made a load of promises, none of which he is honoring, a true gent. The EU has it's issues but it's not the EU that is loosing it's international credibility.

[GerryT]

And what measures are they going to take Gerry? Fart in our general direction!

Well the UK wants a trade deal with the EU, why else would it keep asking for extension after extension. What's the latest one agreed, 3 months ?
For starters there is a dispute resolution procedure within the agreements, that I guess would be the first step, that could lead to sanctions, penalties, temporary high rate tariffs etc...
My guess is the UK will as usual bluster, say loads and then just do the the EU wants.

[johnofgwent]

This is the key point. As the EU has no fleet and we still utterly dominate the seas in our part of the globe, there's nothing the EU can do to hurt us. Meanwhile, we have enough dinghies for our troops to lead sorties and raids across the channel and of course, there's the vulnerable EU border in Northern Ireland.

What were those words Robin Day used against John Nott again ...


Ah yes


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[cromwell]

Think this thread should be moved to the Jokes section @cromwell !!

Well the only joke is why despite being told so often people still keep taking HB seriously.

[Streetwalker]

How come nobody has suggested that the UK should implement the agreement they freely agreed to and in fact boasted how it was a great deal, "get brexit done" was the slogan, and it was.
How would you feel if you (the uk) agreed a deal and you implemented your side of the bargain but the other party just didn't ?
You'll prob find that the EU will take measures if the UK continues to act in bad faith.

Which is why article 16 was included in the agreement which suspends the protocol if the agreement isnt working out either economically or socially .
Every man and his dog knew the agreement would need refining at some stage , the EU are playing  a game they wont win . 

[Borchester]

Which is why Barnier so successfully weaponised the Irish Border under the guise of the GFA.

Well, the poor bugger deserves a break. I had visions of him calling out the German army, only to discover it has gone home for the weekend. Of course, Barnier could always call on the Poles (one of the few EU countries that actually keeps to the spending rules for the military), but I am not overly sure that they are his best mates right now.

[Barry]

We can't talk to them, they don't talk straight. We spent too long trying to find a middle ground and it doesn't exist. [HIGHLIGHT]The EU are not friends with anyone unless it in their interest.[/HIGHLIGHT] All the smile hugs and handshakes are ridiculous and false they show their true colours as soon as they are questioned.

Which is why Barnier so successfully weaponised the Irish Border under the guise of the GFA.

[Nick]

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Think this thread should be moved to the Jokes section @cromwell !!

[T00ts]

It is Bojo-The-Clown who is the problem not the EU.

I don't think it makes any difference. Look at past interaction between the EU and anyone else. Look how they have acted towards Italy in the past, Greece, Poland, Hungary. It's not just BJ or even the UK. It seems it is an organisation that is all for one but not necessarily one for all.

[papasmurf]

It is time now for us to stop talking and persuade them by our actions that we are OUT.

It is Bojo-The-Clown who is the problem not the EU.

[cromwell]

What are you smoking?c

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