Putin is proving to be the “Hitler of the 21st century" says Leo Varadkar

[Streetwalker]

Had you been born German and grown up in the Third Reich you'd have fitted right in. The Nazis exploited people with attitudes like yours to man their Einsatzgruppen and concentration camps.

Thats an poor post for more reasons than you would know . But you dont know so I'll let you off . 

[B0ycey]

Steady on Steve SW may be a londoner but other than that he's not that bad really.

Indeed. I don't see why questioning things should be the same as being anti West. Presenting the Russian side of things isn't even the same as agreeing with it. The truth is always found somewhere in the middle. We weren't even calling Bush and Blair Hilters for invading a sovereign state a few decades back and the only reason people think Ukraine is different to Iraq is because it is in Europe. Right or wrong, Putin is doing what he thinks is right for his nation. And to some extent at least his security concerns are being addressed right now when previously they were being brushed off. The war can only be solved by Ukraine and Russia talking. Nothing else will work. Sanctions aren't doing anything and anyone who thinks they are aren't really thinking long term. To be honest, the only people talking any sense right now are China. And even Turkey are being more useful than America in ending this. I read that China said to Biden yesterday that America need to start talking to Russia more to understand their side better. I think that is great advice. It won't matter so much for this conflict which I do think will sort itself out soon enough. But in the future, the same BS can easily happen again if we don't see Russia as an equal. It is time to treat them with respect. And that isn't saying we should emulate them or that thinking such a thing is anti patriotic. It is simply stating the way things are today. We in the West should make sure that we are the best that we can be to our values and we shouldn't be trying to promote our values into other nations through the back door. And what I definitely think we should not be doing is encroaching towards Russias sphere. Ukraine being neutral isn't just in Russias interest but ours as well. It maintains a barrier between the EU and Russia. And Ukraine can benefit from that by being a mediator for two markets. So why aren't we promoting that? And why is it only now that such an idea is being planned out? Your guess is as good as mine. 

[cromwell]

Up the Eagles.

 Yes that's what I thought in a different way early in the week 

[Good old]

Steady on Steve SW may be a londoner but other than that he's not that bad really.

Up the Eagles.

[Good old]

In choosing to be an apologist for mass murder, torture, burnings alive and all the rest jusy because it is our lot doing it, you disgrace yourself and this nation od ours.

Had you been born German and grown up in the Third Reich you'd have fitted right in. The Nazis exploited people with attitudes like yours to man their Einsatzgruppen and concentration camps.

That's an easy attitude to have if you want to accept that you go down accepting you held every ounce of the moral ground.  Hitler, and his exploited people , would only ever have not prevailed if we had not been prepared to be just as nasty as them. What extreme actions individuals take in times of conflict can only be judged in terms of the precise nature of that conflict personal to them. It is the dogs of war. No one should want to unleash them. But if only they can save you from death or subjugation then there can be no disgrace.

[cromwell]

In choosing to be an apologist for mass murder, torture, burnings alive and all the rest jusy because it is our lot doing it, you disgrace yourself and this nation od ours.

Had you been born German and grown up in the Third Reich you'd have fitted right in. The Nazis exploited people with attitudes like yours to man their Einsatzgruppen and concentration camps.

Steady on Steve SW may be a londoner but other than that he's not that bad really.

[srb7677]

Oh yes it is .

If the only way we had to  stop murdering bastards  is to become them then thats how its had  to be .

So , Putin  . How far would you go to stop him or any other looney tune for that matter . How much collateral damage ,how much straying from the path of being better than them would be acceptable to keep your moral credability intact ?

In choosing to be an apologist for mass murder, torture, burnings alive and all the rest jusy because it is our lot doing it, you disgrace yourself and this nation od ours.

Had you been born German and grown up in the Third Reich you'd have fitted right in. The Nazis exploited people with attitudes like yours to man their Einsatzgruppen and concentration camps.

[Streetwalker]

That other people do bad things is not an excuse for us to as well.

In attempting to both deny it happened in the first place and minimise it if it did, you lose all moral credibility.

Oh yes it is . 

If the only way we had to  stop murdering bastards  is to become them then thats how its had  to be . 

So , Putin  . How far would you go to stop him or any other looney tune for that matter . How much collateral damage ,how much straying from the path of being better than them would be acceptable to keep your moral credability intact ? 

[srb7677]

Alledgedly .  Even if it were the case would have been a  weak reaction to the Lari massacre in which the Mau Mau herded a whole village of Men  women and children  into huts and set them afire .  As I say events of the day , there is always  more to stories of the colonies than 'British bad '

That other people do bad things is not an excuse for us to as well.

In attempting to both deny it happened in the first place and minimise it if it did, you lose all moral credibility. 

[Streetwalker]

Burning a prisoner alive is an overreaction to the events of the day is it?

Alledgedly .  Even if it were the case would have been a  weak reaction to the Lari massacre in which the Mau Mau herded a whole village of Men  women and children  into huts and set them afire .  As I say events of the day , there is always  more to stories of the colonies than 'British bad '

[cromwell]

Where there's muck there's brass,and the French were the brassiest..........paywall but you get the picture.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/17/france-exported-bombs-aircraft-russia-2014-eu-arms-embargo/

[DeppityDawg]

So much for the superior technology of the Royal Navy if a state of the art nuclear attack sub can't keep track of one old cruiser travelling alone.

The Belgrano wasn't alone, it was escorted by vessels with ASW capability. This was the 1980s, not Star Wars. Even they could detect a Submarine in relatively shallow water like the Burdwod Bank.

I'd stick to something you know a little about. Like complaining when democracy doesn't go your way for instance

[Sheepy]

You would think that Putin has enough troubles without Blair on his side.

Apparently Tony wants to go to war with Russia, probably because this time he will be able to claim that the enemy really does have weapons of mass destruction.

Ever get the feeling our Tones sponsors have had a word in his ear? the reason I ask is because the other day he was saying how they should all get around the table and have a chat and sort it out that way. 

[Borchester]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10621243/TONY-BLAIR-enemies-weak-divided-war-Wests-wake-call.html
I almost feel sorry for Putin....but not quite.

The creature from under his stone speaks **** again.

You would think that Putin has enough troubles without Blair on his side.

Apparently Tony wants to go to war with Russia, probably because this time he will be able to claim that the enemy really does have weapons of mass destruction.

[Scott777]

Fact is, the need for war in Ukraine existed only in the mind of Putin. Problem is he is the leader of Russia and so used his power to start that war.

Not a fact at all.  You completely ignore the conflicts since at least 2014, and the Azov Battalion, etc.