Local population unable to supply enough NHS staff

[Streetwalker]

The Daily Mail is a highly unreliable and often dishonest source of information with immigration-related stories.

They have form for printing emotive stories which actually don't have legs in this area.

Back it up with more reliable sources if you want me to take it seriously. Or indeed anyone who is not a Mail reader.

Take it as seriously as you want .

[srb7677]

Dont know . Even the ones already here are being turfed out . Not a very good advertisment for future recruitment
Nurses paying price of migrant crisis: Overseas medics studying to work for NHS turfed out hotels | Daily Mail Online

The Daily Mail is a highly unreliable and often dishonest source of information with immigration-related stories.

They have form for printing emotive stories which actually don't have legs in this area.

Back it up with more reliable sources if you want me to take it seriously. Or indeed anyone who is not a Mail reader.

[Borchester]

The elephant in the room about that is if foreign staff are persuaded to come here, where are they going to live?

Streetwalker and his mates will build them. They will moan like hell because what they really, really want to do is spend their time on French golf courses, but as usual they will divide their time between laying courses of bricks and carrying sackloads of cash to the bank.

[Streetwalker]

The elephant in the room about that is if foreign staff are persuaded to come here, where are they going to live?

Dont know . Even the ones already here are being turfed out . Not a very good advertisment for future recruitment 
 Nurses paying price of migrant crisis: Overseas medics studying to work for NHS turfed out hotels | Daily Mail Online

[papasmurf]

Pillaging the talent trained by other countries in the interests of impoverishing our own, and thereby discouraging our own from doing it, is a stupid thing to do if you want a strong British economy with workers earning enough to pay enough tax so you can sit on your arse in comfort.

The elephant in the room about that is if foreign staff are persuaded to come here, where are they going to live?

[srb7677]

Depends how long the run is, but it has worked so far.

Foreign doctors and nurses are educated in their native countries, which might mean 13 years in primary, junior and secondary education and up to ten years in medical school. And of course, during that time the UK is not providing them with police protection , food, housing and all the rest.

Plus, by importing foreign medics, the bargaining position of home grown doctors is weakened and their wage demands are kept under control.

So it is pretty much win win for the UK

Pillaging the talent trained by other countries in the interests of impoverishing our own, and thereby discouraging our own from doing it, is a stupid thing to do if you want a strong British economy with workers earning enough to pay enough tax so you can sit on your arse in comfort.

[Borchester]

The NHS in England is increasingly reliant on doctors and nurses recruited from outside the UK and EU. This  might seem OK and fulfilling a need, but is it sustainable in the long run?

Depends how long the run is, but it has worked so far.

Foreign doctors and nurses are educated in their native countries, which might mean 13 years in primary, junior and secondary education and up to ten years in medical school. And of course, during that time the UK is not providing them with police protection , food, housing and all the rest.

Plus, by importing foreign medics, the bargaining position of home grown doctors is weakened and their wage demands are kept under control.

So it is pretty much win win for the UK

[johnofgwent]

The NHS in England is increasingly reliant on doctors and nurses recruited from outside the UK and EU. This  might seem OK and fulfilling a need, but is it sustainable in the long run?

Not only is the UK taking medical staff from countries that might need them, but once trained up to UK standards, a good proportion seek work elsewhere — and that happens with local staff too. Therefore, it's not only recruiting enough staff, but retaining them too.

Some 34% of doctors joining the health service last year came from overseas, a rise from 18% in 2014.

The government said overseas recruitment had always been part of its strategy.

But unions have warned it is an unsustainable way of recruiting in the long-term.

The share of UK doctors joining the health service had fallen from 69% in 2015 to 58% last year. Over the same period, the share of new UK nurses fell from 74% to 61%.

The share of doctors recruited from outside of the UK and the EU rose from 18% to 34% while the share of nurses rose from 7% to 34%.

Patricia Marquis, Royal College of Nursing (RCN) director for England, said ministers must do more to reduce the "disproportionate reliance" on international recruits.

The government is funding an additional 1,500 undergraduate medical school places each year for domestic students in England - a 25% increase over three years.

However, last week a report by MPs concluded the large number of unfilled NHS job vacancies, about 110,000 in total, was posing a serious risk to patient safety.

Danny Mortimer, chief executive of NHS Employers, said it was "high time for the government to commit to a fully-funded, long-term workforce plan for the NHS" to tackle "chronic workforce shortages".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61230287

Blame every bloody government since Wilson.

I'm sorry but that's the sick truth. Wilson's 1960's Labour Government(s) laid down the created infrastructure for his vision of a country whose workforce would be forged in the white heat of technology. I am one of those who shamelessly benefitted from it IN SPITE OF that bitch Shirley Williams taking up the mantra of the potty mouthed zealot Marxist Crosland who wanted grammar schools exterminated and implementing it.

I've calculated the amount of income tax and NI that ice shelled out every fucking pay day since I walked out of one of the degree courses his vision provided free of charge, and compared it to the amount my brother who went into British Steel and got laid off by Maggie has paid over the same time period and it's fucking tenfold. And that's before you add the company taxation and the NI I had to pay as a fucking employer so I make NO fucking apology for my "free" degree and postgraduate research I've paid it back a hundred fold before you refactor inflation.

But successive budget rounds since Blair chanted "education education education" while his one eyed sidekick stripped the universities of finance and set out on the road to force graduates to pay for the Mickey mouse degree they'll never get a job that pays enough to repay the loan have reduced both the number of health sector training places and hoisted the cost to stupid levels.

At the same time establishments capable of training such people have been stripped of teaching staff and facilities 

We have, as a nation, been forced down a path where we pillage other countries health facilities to staff our own and we should hang the bastards responsible for that from lamp posts. We could then use the corpses so strung as training cadavers....

[patman post]

The NHS in England is increasingly reliant on doctors and nurses recruited from outside the UK and EU. This  might seem OK and fulfilling a need, but is it sustainable in the long run?

Not only is the UK taking medical staff from countries that might need them, but once trained up to UK standards, a good proportion seek work elsewhere — and that happens with local staff too. Therefore, it's not only recruiting enough staff, but retaining them too.

Some 34% of doctors joining the health service last year came from overseas, a rise from 18% in 2014.

The government said overseas recruitment had always been part of its strategy.

But unions have warned it is an unsustainable way of recruiting in the long-term.

The share of UK doctors joining the health service had fallen from 69% in 2015 to 58% last year. Over the same period, the share of new UK nurses fell from 74% to 61%.

The share of doctors recruited from outside of the UK and the EU rose from 18% to 34% while the share of nurses rose from 7% to 34%.

Patricia Marquis, Royal College of Nursing (RCN) director for England, said ministers must do more to reduce the "disproportionate reliance" on international recruits.

The government is funding an additional 1,500 undergraduate medical school places each year for domestic students in England - a 25% increase over three years.

However, last week a report by MPs concluded the large number of unfilled NHS job vacancies, about 110,000 in total, was posing a serious risk to patient safety.

Danny Mortimer, chief executive of NHS Employers, said it was "high time for the government to commit to a fully-funded, long-term workforce plan for the NHS" to tackle "chronic workforce shortages".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61230287