Starmer will lose working class, say Liverpool dock strikers

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And the reality is that the starting salary is 27K.
And the average salary is 38K.

Neither of which makes you poor.

I hope you express your hatred for the 50+% percent of this country you hate whenever you wish to buy food.

Baff you really have no clue, I have to assume you are £millionaire who has servants to do the shopping.

Poor is when you don't have enough money to pay the bills and to buy food.
That now applies to 14 million and rising in Britain.
If my wife and I were not mortgage free we would be in severe financial difficulty. As it is the recent rises in food cost are making things difficult.

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Baff that would be a median of all ranks of nurses, the reality is far lower.
If you ever have to go into hospital, I hope you express your hatred of nurses before getting treated.

And the reality is that the starting salary is 27K.
And the average salary is 38K.

Neither of which makes you poor.
Both of which are well above the national averages for starting and median wages.


If you ever have to go shopping, I hope you express your hatred for the 50+% percent of this country before being served food.

[Baff]

A significant number of them are poor, due to cost of living increased and the lack of affordable housing.
Some nurses ending up at food banks is not a myth it is a fact.
Some of the naysayers on this forum frankly are either very rich, badly informed or both.

A significant amount of the top 50% of income earners in this country are poor?
Oh RLY?
Where do you draw the poverty line then?

There is Elon Musk and then everyone else is poor?


Lack of affordable housing. ROFLLMAO.
My nurse mate from Pakistan had to pay a total of 40k towards her own house.
They gave her the other 200+K.

I'm crying for the poverty of nurses. Crying for them every day.
Crying for their lack of affordable housing.

Screw the poor. Wealthy nurses have it harder.

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Making the average nurses salary of 36-40K well above the average UK salary.

When somebody is well into the top half of income earners, they aren't poor. Are they?

Baff that would be a median of all ranks of nurses, the reality is far lower.
If you ever have to go into hospital, I hope you express your hatred of nurses before getting treated.

[Baff]

What you quoted is now well under the average wage.


What is the Average UK Salary? Updated Nov 2022 (standout-cv.com)

• For full-time employees, the average salary is £33,000, while part-time employees earn an average wage of £12,247 (including gig economy workers).

Making the average nurses salary of 36-40K well above the average UK salary.

When somebody is well into the top half of income earners, they aren't poor. Are they?

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 people who need to be called out either get given a work phone or an expense to cover it. 

No they don't Nick. You are wildly out of touch again.

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Nick, irresponsible you really do come out with some Tory/Daily Mail fueled propaganda and rubbish.
In an emergency/disaster situation just how do you think nurses are going to be called in if they don't have a mobile phone.
I should also point out the DWP issues mobile phones to unemployed people who do not have them so the DWP can contact them 24/7/365.
Also the government runs on "digital by default." Mobil phones and internet access are now necessities for many people NOT luxury items.

Nurses do not buy mobile phones to be used as call out devices, people who need to be called out either get given a work phone or an expense to cover it. Same as my employees get a work phone, paid for by the company. 

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They're not poor, they have pressures from every quarter to spend money on other things like mobile phones, going out etc. Being irresponsible doesn't put you in the poor bracket, it puts you in the irresponsible bracket.

Nick, irresponsible you really do come out with some Tory/Daily Mail fueled propaganda and rubbish.
In an emergency/disaster situation just how do you think nurses are going to be called in if they don't have a mobile phone. 
I should also point out the DWP issues mobile phones to unemployed people who do not have them so the DWP can contact them 24/7/365.
Also the government runs on "digital by default." Mobil phones and internet access are now necessities for many people NOT luxury items.

[Nick]

A significant number of them are poor, due to cost of living increased and the lack of affordable housing.
Some nurses ending up at food banks is not a myth it is a fact.
Some of the naysayers on this forum frankly are either very rich, badly informed or both.

They're not poor, they have pressures from every quarter to spend money on other things like mobile phones, going out etc. Being irresponsible doesn't put you in the poor bracket, it puts you in the irresponsible bracket. 

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Nurses aren't poor, 

A significant number of them are poor, due to cost of living increased and the lack of affordable housing.
Some nurses ending up at food banks is not a myth it is a fact.
Some of the naysayers on this forum frankly are either very rich, badly informed or both.

[Nick]

Bullshite. Are you really saying nurses are poor because they don't put a lot of effort in?

I suspect they work a lot frigging harder than you, proving that how rich you are is not directly connected with how much effort you put in but is determined by a variety of other factors too.

Nurses aren't poor, show me where I ever said that. Show me the teenage boy that said when asked he wants to sit at the checkout of Tesco when he grows up. There isn't one and that's because no one sets out to do that job, it's one of the default routes from putting in minimal effort, and comes with a default socialist attitude. Strange how people with nothing are always socialist and want everything shared whilst those who put the miles in tell you to bugger off. 
Cold hard facts Steve. 

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Not as low as the Forces, that put their life on the line. A point that you never answer.

But the forces get a lot of perks on top of their pay. 


Regular Soldier Pay & Benefits - British Army Jobs (mod.uk)

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Average wage isn't a good salary?

What you quoted is now well under the average wage.


What is the Average UK Salary? Updated Nov 2022 (standout-cv.com)

• For full-time employees, the average salary is £33,000, while part-time employees earn an average wage of £12,247 (including gig economy workers).

[Nick]

Some of them are. The starting salary for a nurse is pretty low.

You wouldn't know what real is.

Not as low as the Forces, that put their life on the line. A point that you never answer. 

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It isn't a good salary at all, the local NHS trust has started to build housing for nurses because of the very high local rents.

Local rents are high for everyone mate.
Not just well paid NHS employee's.


Average wage isn't a good salary?
OK mate.

You must be very rich to think that earning an average wage in a rich country defines you as poor and poorly paid.

Not really my idea of a hard luck story. OMG, I'm averagely wealthy. The horror.