Blackmailing USA?

[papasmurf]

Put a bet on us winning the Olympic basketball  gold in  2048  .

That assumes there will be an Olympics in 2048.

[Streetwalker]

Well thats fair enough , all trade deals are for the benefit of all concerned and you are not going to agree one if you are not getting something out of it . Does it really matter if the other guy is getting more than you are when everyone is a winner ?

It does when the NHS has been sold to American health insurance companies, and unlabelled as to country of origin chlorine washed chicken, lagged with growth hormone and agrichemicals meat is on our supermarket shelves.

Put a bet on us winning the Olympic basketball  gold in  2048  .

[Good old]

Well there will either be a trade deal with the USA or their wont .  We will see whats on offer when its on offer but generally they are  up for free trade deals which are the way forward rather than protectionist trade blocs

The US, believe in being top dog. It's fairly simple really it's not imperialism in the traditional sense, just a demand they make which amounts to do it our way , because we will not do it yours , unless that is , a threat you face is a threat to us.
All we have ever got from the US was a pat on the head, conducted with strict adherence ,to creating huge financial profit   for them , whilst bolstering their own security.
When the UK was still trying to develop as a viable developer in aviation , and many fields of high tec, it was the US that usually did everything it could to scupper British, projects , especially if they had fallen behind in the particular field.
The only deal you will ever get with the US, is if it is strongly in their favour.  Trump, will make sure that all we get will be another pat on the head.

Well thats fair enough , all trade deals are for the benefit of all concerned and you are not going to agree one if you are not getting something out of it . Does it really matter if the other guy is getting more than you are when everyone is a winner ?

It's what a winner looks like that is at stake here.  As said we are almost certainly going to get a pat on the head from the US. Laced with everything on Smurfs, list  Vital some might think as we have been burning our boats in a number of quarters.
That's the weakness , the Yanks know we are gasping.  The threats are already there. Do it our way in Ireland or else. That may be something Boris, creates for his self, but it reflects how fragile the idea that' we can get through this without becoming the yanks little poodle  Permanently looking for a pat on the head, actually is. 

[papasmurf]

Well thats fair enough , all trade deals are for the benefit of all concerned and you are not going to agree one if you are not getting something out of it . Does it really matter if the other guy is getting more than you are when everyone is a winner ?

It does when the NHS has been sold to American health insurance companies, and unlabelled as to country of origin chlorine washed chicken, lagged with growth hormone and agrichemicals meat is on our supermarket shelves.

[Streetwalker]

Well there will either be a trade deal with the USA or their wont .  We will see whats on offer when its on offer but generally they are  up for free trade deals which are the way forward rather than protectionist trade blocs

The US, believe in being top dog. It's fairly simple really it's not imperialism in the traditional sense, just a demand they make which amounts to do it our way , because we will not do it yours , unless that is , a threat you face is a threat to us.
All we have ever got from the US was a pat on the head, conducted with strict adherence ,to creating huge financial profit   for them , whilst bolstering their own security.
When the UK was still trying to develop as a viable developer in aviation , and many fields of high tec, it was the US that usually did everything it could to scupper British, projects , especially if they had fallen behind in the particular field.
The only deal you will ever get with the US, is if it is strongly in their favour.  Trump, will make sure that all we get will be another pat on the head.

Well thats fair enough , all trade deals are for the benefit of all concerned and you are not going to agree one if you are not getting something out of it . Does it really matter if the other guy is getting more than you are when everyone is a winner ?

[Good old]

Well there will either be a trade deal with the USA or their wont .  We will see whats on offer when its on offer but generally they are  up for free trade deals which are the way forward rather than protectionist trade blocs

The US, believe in being top dog. It's fairly simple really it's not imperialism in the traditional sense, just a demand they make which amounts to do it our way , because we will not do it yours , unless that is , a threat you face is a threat to us.
All we have ever got from the US was a pat on the head, conducted with strict adherence ,to creating huge financial profit   for them , whilst bolstering their own security.
When the UK was still trying to develop as a viable developer in aviation , and many fields of high tec, it was the US that usually did everything it could to scupper British, projects , especially if they had fallen behind in the particular field.
The only deal you will ever get with the US, is if it is strongly in their favour.  Trump, will make sure that all we get will be another pat on the head.

[Streetwalker]

Well there will either be a trade deal with the USA or their wont .  We will see whats on offer when its on offer but generally they are  up for free trade deals which are the way forward rather than protectionist trade blocs 

[patman post]

In the early days of my interest in politics, I did wonder why the UK didn't apply to join Nafta (as the North Atlantic Trade Association) and try to persuade Efta to go with it. It would have saved the UK a lot of pain arguing over its relations with Europe as it would have been able to pretend in any association with it that the UK was an equal to its US associate...

[papasmurf]

If the USA is going to have political control over the UK then I agree it is no better that the EU.

Frankly I have never understood the perceived problem rabid Brexiteers have with the EU, thinking with your heart and not your head ends in tears.

The Tories only "want control back" so they can really put the boot in to the poor and vulnerable and their friends can trouser £8 billion from a hard Brexit.
America is a far worse threat.

[T00ts]

Why is that so different to the EU that we have suffered for so long?

Surely if you believe that, you should welcome the idea that the USA may refuse to enter into a trade deal with the UK?

It should be remembered that Irish-Americans (and others) have pumped millions (possibly billions) of dollars into Northern Ireland good causes over the decades — and, despite the Loyalist and Telegraph spin to the contrary, it wasn't donated with the intention to buy armalites and Semtex...

If the USA is going to have political control over the UK then I agree it is no better that the EU.

[patman post]

Why is that so different to the EU that we have suffered for so long?

Surely if you believe that, you should welcome the idea that the USA may refuse to enter into a trade deal with the UK?

It should be remembered that Irish-Americans (and others) have pumped millions (possibly billions) of dollars into Northern Ireland good causes over the decades — and, despite the Loyalist and Telegraph spin to the contrary, it wasn't donated with the intention to buy armalites and Semtex...

[T00ts]

Why is that so different to the EU that we have suffered for so long?

Well "all the suffering  from the EU," is in rabid Brexiteers minds. Given the chance if a trade deal is made with America effectively Britain will become another American state within a short time.

What makes you say that? By the way I don't think I have rabies! Do you believe that we won't still American or they will stop buying British if we don't have a deal.

[papasmurf]

Why is that so different to the EU that we have suffered for so long?

Well "all the suffering  from the EU," is in rabid Brexiteers minds. Given the chance if a trade deal is made with America effectively Britain will become another American state within a short time.

[T00ts]

Why?

Because as Canada found out to it's cost,  America rarely if ever loses an Investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS)  case.
It is a VERY serious issue. If Britain signs a trade agreement with America Britain will be shafted big time.

Why is that so different to the EU that we have suffered for so long?

[papasmurf]

Why?

Because as Canada found out to it's cost,  America rarely if ever loses an Investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS)  case.
It is a VERY serious issue. If Britain signs a trade agreement with America Britain will be shafted big time.