Suez Syndrome

[Thomas]

Can we borrow this chap ? He needs to go help Dickhead Drakeford in his hour of need.

I know we disagree on devolution ( well we both want rid of it , its just you want to go back to the old unitary state while i want completely out ) but what is the score with welsh labour at the minute?

They seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel now in the senedd with talentless benchwarmers , is there any chance next year of welsh labour getting a kicking ?

[johnofgwent]

Deadly serious john.

Thanks for that Thomas, so, from that clip, he thinks Labour's fortunes are on the up and they may even depose the SNP and put their man in the big chair at Holyrood, but he also maintains that while scotland's future is for the scots to decide, breaking up the union is not a good idea.

Bloody hell.

Can we borrow this chap ? He needs to go help Dickhead Drakeford in his hour of need.

[Thomas]

To be fair Tommy, there is not a lot else Starmer can do. According to the Sunday Times Nicola Sturgeon is powering ahead in Scotland and although any recommendation from the Dirty Digger is usually the kiss of death, it looks as though the happy days when the Labour party did not count Scottish votes so much as weighed them are as with the songs of yesteryear.

As you have said, Starmer's hopes rest in England. If he can build up a stolid, middle of the road party that isn't ashamed to be British, then he will probably recapture the votes of Deppity and much of Middle England. But he is going to have a sod of a job.

The Labour party's best friend is the Chinese flu. It does not matter what Johnson does it will be wrong. But sooner or later it will burn itself out and Starmer will be faced with a party that, unlike that of the brothers and sisters, really really doesn't like losing.

not sure about that borkie.

I agree about starmer needing to win in england to win westminster , but  i think his problems go a lot deeper than what you say in your post.

Starmer doesnt understand england never mind the rest of the uk north of the watford gap. While he is busy chasing the small c conservative vote of folk like patman post in hackney , he is losing the old labour vote "oop north."

If he chases the old labour vote "oop north" , he loses southern england.

On top of that , as we know he has too much brexit baggage. Do you or anyone else seriously think starmer will go all out brit nat , and forget the EU?

Scotland is lost to the london elite. They just dont accept it or realise it yet.

Outwith that again , i dont think there is going to be any great return to the old two party politics system england once had. The tories too are in trouble as we know......if they hadnt gone all out brit nat english national and courted the eurosceptic vote , where would they be today?

Brexit will happen , and then what?

England  has the same issue as america to a lesser degree , people being fed up with two parties and little real choice . I think as politics gradually fragments more and more , you are going to see an increasing demand for pr in england and a wider choice in parties.

Its the same as what i said to you about the snp in scotland...currently they are riding the crest of the indy wave , and once indy is achieved , they will split and fragment into differeing parties.

The tories wont survive trying to hold onto cromwells vote in manchester or streetwalkers in south london  post brexit.

Neither two of them are going to go to blairite labour under starmer either. Thats will leave increasing room for other parties outwith red and blue tory.

I personally can't see either labour or tory getting a majority again in england in my lifetime after brexit . There are too many splits developing that can't be contained in a two party system , but thats just my view.

[Borchester]

Deadly serious john.

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1317149204939218946

What is particularly funny john is that starmer has undermined leonard at every stage since he became uk leader , and the only reason leonard is still in the job as scottish branch manager is no one else wants the job.

Labour are having trouble securing enough candidates to stand at holyrood , as well as activists to chap on doors. Starmer is fast becoming an out of touch london centric joke figure for many scots.

To be fair Tommy, there is not a lot else Starmer can do. According to the Sunday Times Nicola Sturgeon is powering ahead in Scotland and although any recommendation from the Dirty Digger is usually the kiss of death, it looks as though the happy days when the Labour party did not count Scottish votes so much as weighed them are as with the songs of yesteryear.

As you have said, Starmer's hopes rest in England. If he can build up a stolid, middle of the road party that isn't ashamed to be British, then he will probably recapture the votes of Deppity and much of Middle England. But he is going to have a sod of a job.

The Labour party's best friend is the Chinese flu. It does not matter what Johnson does it will be wrong. But sooner or later it will burn itself out and Starmer will be faced with a party that, unlike that of the brothers and sisters, really really doesn't like losing.

[Sheepy]

Yeah well Starmer I could win the lottery, but it is highly doubtful.

[Thomas]

You jest. He is that deluded. My word.

Deadly serious john.

Richard Leonard can become Scotland's next First Minister, insists Sir Keir Starmer

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1317149204939218946

What is particularly funny john is that starmer has undermined leonard at every stage since he became uk leader , and the only reason leonard is still in the job as scottish branch manager is no one else wants the job.

Labour are having trouble securing enough candidates to stand at holyrood , as well as activists to chap on doors. Starmer is fast becoming an out of touch london centric joke figure for many scots.

Scottish Parliament constituency voting intentions:

SNP 58%
Conservatives 19%
Labour 13%
Liberal Democrats 8%

Scottish Parliament regional list voting intentions:

SNP 47%
Conservatives 19%
Labour 13%
Greens 9%
Liberal Democrats 8%

Seats projection: SNP 73 (+10), Conservatives 22 (-9), Labour 15 (-9), Greens 10 (+4), Liberal Democrats 9 (+4)

Pro-independence parties 83 seats (+14), anti-independence parties 46 seats (-14)

[johnofgwent]

Do you know what i was laughing at yesterday?

Sir keir knight of the realm starmer talking about how labour could win holyrood in may.

You jest. He is that deluded. My word.

[Thomas]

Funny how your Scottish accent disappears when you have to type fast, Stockholm Syndrome.

i know ,pat thinks im a russian bot .

[Cor Blimey!]

Politicians told lies?

Who knew?

Remain didnt lie though did  they..........it was just that leave were better at it on the day.

Telling me , a scot indy supporter of the unfairness of politicians lieing when you lose a referendum is hilarious.

I didnt stmap my feet like a whiney wee wean and refuse to accept 2014.......i took my medicine , then started re campaigning for my political aim unlike you whiney anglo remainers.

Take your medicine son  , and stop greeting  theres a good boy.

Funny how your Scottish accent disappears when you have to type fast, Stockholm Syndrome.

[Thomas]

Keir Starmer is a labour politician. That's all I know about him. I don't know to know anymore.

Yeah, the referendum was free and fair. People were lied to on an industrial scale! You can stick your ned's version of democracy where the sun don't shine. Anyway, every cloud has a silver lining: at least Scotland's going to get what belongs to her. 'Get your coat, Scotland!'

Politicians told lies?

Who knew?

Remain didnt lie though did  they..........it was just that leave were better at it on the day.

Telling me , a scot indy supporter of the unfairness of politicians lieing when you lose a referendum is hilarious.

I didnt stamp my feet like a whiney wee wean and refuse to accept 2014.......i took my medicine , then started re campaigning for my political aim unlike you whiney anglo remainers.

Take your medicine son  , and stop greeting  theres a good boy.

[Cor Blimey!]

Remain lost fair and square. Once brexit is implemented , you can campaign to rejoin if you like , but not before.

Its going to be as funny as feck watching sir keir kngiht of the realm starmer stand on a labour party for rejoining the eu ticket.

Tories will have billboards everywhere of starmer in von der leyens top pocket.

Keir Starmer is a labour politician. That's all I know about him. I don't know to know anymore.

Yeah, the referendum was free and fair. People were lied to on an industrial scale! You can stick your ned's version of democracy where the sun don't shine. Anyway, every cloud has a silver lining: at least Scotland's going to get what belongs to her. 'Get your coat, Scotland!'

[Thomas]

You're right that democracy must be protected. We wouldn't want to see it abused, Stockholm Syndrome.

Remain lost fair and square. Once brexit is implemented , you can campaign to rejoin if you like , but not before.

Its going to be as funny as feck watching sir keir kngiht of the realm starmer stand on a labour party for rejoining the eu ticket.

Tories will have billboards everywhere of starmer in von der leyens top pocket.

[Cor Blimey!]

We want to stay for the moment and help our friends in england get brexit.

Democracy must be upheld.

You're right that democracy must be protected. We wouldn't want to see it abused, Stockholm Syndrome.

[Thomas]

I'm sure Labour are a darling bunch of lads. Thing is: I couldn't give a shit! If I was Scottish, I'd be voting for a party with the balls to TAKE what belongs to Scotland.

We want to stay for the moment and help our friends in england get brexit.

Democracy must be upheld.

[Cor Blimey!]

Do you know what i was laughing at yesterday?

Sir keir knight of the realm starmer talking about how labour could win holyrood in may.

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1317149204939218946

When you talk about delusion and "syndromes" , sir keir knight of the realm epitomises this to a feckin tee.

These labour party muppets really are in cloud cuckoo land. Gove said this morning on sky that keir starmer has built a political career on shifting sands , and he wasnt wrong at all. Not only that , while single handedly destroying labours general election campsign over brexit , he is constantly undermining ricky leopards campaign in scotland for the holyrood elections.

Could labour have picked a bigger muppet to lead their party?

A champagne london centric kid on socialist hated north of the watford gap?
poor auld labour still in third place in scotland jostling for the bronze medal with the liberals and greens.

couldnt happen to a nicer party.

I'm sure Labour are a darling bunch of lads. Thing is: I couldn't give a shit! If I was Scottish, I'd be voting for a party with the balls to TAKE what belongs to Scotland.