Macron v UK + EU

[Sheepy]

I think you'll find it was someone else that brought up irl as a tax haven and if you look at the link I just posted you will see Irl is in the baby leagues compared to the UK. This is one of the main reasons for brexit, the money wrapped that up in a nationalistic cry to take back control of your fish. The very same fish that the UK sold 50% of its fishing rights to foreigners, so who's doing the fishing in January, half the UK fleet is not UK owned. As for making your own deals, How's that going. Japan is letting you have sloppy seconds after the EU does all its trading and the UK agreed more stringent level playing field provisions than what the EU requested. Joke stuff really

What's even funnier, on the whole they don't give a flying feck what the EU want, they can do one.

[GerryT]

We all know what goes on in london.

I have mentioned it many a time over the years. So have many others on here.

What is it they say though ....him without sin cast the first stone and all that?

I wouldnt be lecturing others on thier misdeamenours when ireland is classed as one of the worlds bigges tax havens.

Did you manage to google some more info about ireland gerry?

I think you'll find it was someone else that brought up irl as a tax haven and if you look at the link I just posted you will see Irl is in the baby leagues compared to the UK. This is one of the main reasons for brexit, the money wrapped that up in a nationalistic cry to take back control of your fish. The very same fish that the UK sold 50% of its fishing rights to foreigners, so who's doing the fishing in January, half the UK fleet is not UK owned. As for making your own deals, How's that going. Japan is letting you have sloppy seconds after the EU does all its trading and the UK agreed more stringent level playing field provisions than what the EU requested. Joke stuff really

[Sheepy]

Like toots says, follow the money, who gains from brexit, its not the great unwashed.

Well the great unwashed don't have much to lose, they have pretty much lost everything anyway, so a shot at freedom through democracy, is an easy choice.
The amusing part of course is, the people who keep telling them how they are missing out, even if you don't have a sense of humour that must bring a smile.

[papasmurf]

The 11,700 who live in your area.

There are only 906 people in my area. (2011 census.)

[Thomas]

The 11,700 who live in your area.

And you really believe what newspapers report?

You should be able to provide links then.

dont ask difficult questions before you get put on ignore nick.

Bob down the turo socialist workers club ( from a safe distance wearing his mask)  told pappy everyone in cornwall repents over brexit , hence why he cant back up what he is saying.

[Thomas]

Like toots says, follow the money, who gains from brexit, its not the great unwashed.

Think of the poor....the poor!

Have you been listening to labour mps gerry.?

Old borkie told you ... he doesnt want ten bob in his back pocket for voting brexit , he wants his country back  , and doesnt want to be part of some european superstate.

[Nick]

What 11,700 people?
I have had Thomas on ignore for a very long time.
I don't need to poll anyone the local radio, TV and newspapers have been on about it for weeks now, with loads of interviews with people involved.

The 11,700 who live in your area.

And you really believe what newspapers report?

You should be able to provide links then.

[Thomas]

perfectly transparent and above board, let's do some digging into what goes on in London.

We all know what goes on in london.

I have mentioned it many a time over the years. So have many others on here.

What is it they say though ....him without sin cast the first stone and all that?

I wouldnt be lecturing others on thier misdeamenours when ireland is classed as one of the worlds bigges tax havens.

Did you manage to google some more info about ireland gerry?

[Thomas]

are you saying that you think a "Norway plus"* type deal would have seen anywhere like the remain opposition we see now?

Norway plus etc etc etc?

Any deal that inolved the uk staying in a customs union ( freedom of movement etc etc )would not have been brexit.

Even the Norwegians have been scratching their heads at why the UK would attempt this style of soft-Brexit. Prime Minister Erna Solberg said: 'Then I just ask why should you leave the EU if you are accepting that?'

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/20/norway-plus-deal-break-brexit-deadlock-8954832/





Again we are raking over all the old coals non stop.

Arch remainer tony blair from memeory famously said he couldnt see the point in a customs union , as it took away the only point in brexit he ever saw , the ability to do your own trade deals.

[GerryT]

Oh Gerry you are a card

Just have a read, UK  is one of the worst offenders
https://www.taxjustice.net/press/new-ranking-reveals-corporate-tax-havens-behind-breakdown-of-global-corporate-tax-system-toll-of-uks-tax-war-exposed/
IRL is in the baby leagues when compared to the UK.

Like toots says, follow the money, who gains from brexit, its not the great unwashed.

[Thomas]

now you're playing semantics

Can you define the difference between opposing a particular action and trying to stop that action being implemented (within the legal confines of course)?

Are you denying parliamentary remainers , and those who have led the remain side , have tried undemocratically non stop over the last four years not to just oppose and offer dissent to brexit , but to try and stop the democratic result being implemented cheered on by you and your like?

I mentioned to you many a time how i think you should have handled the result of 2016 when you lost fair and square , and you buried your head in the sand and carried on trying to stifle democracy  , and if you couldnt overturn the result , you tried to sell remain in all but name.

As i said beelbeeb , your arrogance blinds you.

We are all fully aware of the difference between  democratic opposition and dissent , to anti democratic actions.

[cromwell]

perfectly transparent and above board, let's do some digging into what goes on in London.

Oh Gerry you are a card

[GerryT]

What you talking about? How many billions was it the irish government let apple off with , 14 billion euroes ?

perfectly transparent and above board, let's do some digging into what goes on in London.

[BeElBeeBub]

Which is hilarious when you talk about compromise regarding a brexit deal.

are you saying that you think a "Norway plus"* type deal would have seen anywhere like the remain opposition we see now?  Such a situation was explicitly put forward by the Leave campaign so would have satisfied your "respect the result" requirement.

Yet that option was yanked away.  You yourself are trumpeting the BRINO idea and that anything less than a full and complete break from the EU is not "respecting the result".  How can remainers have ever compromised with that?

Comprise requires *both* sides to give a little and meet somewhere between. 

You are pushing for the most extreme brexit possible, calling anyone who wants a less extreme brexit undemocratic and then blaming them for the outcome because they aren't compromising by agreeing with your most extreme brexit.

"it's your fault I hit you because you won't give me what I want"





*the UK leave the EU as a member and stay in the SM, maybe or maybe not the CU plus have numerous other agreements in a manner similar but beyond Norway.

[BeElBeeBub]

Playing semantics as ever.

i havent once said opposition to brexit was undemocratic. I said trying to stop it being implemented when you lost fair and square is what i find undemocratic.

now you're playing semantics

Can you define the difference between opposing a particular action and trying to stop that action being implemented (within the legal confines of course)?

If you don't try to stop the action then you can't be really said to oppose it.

"I oppose apartheid/fox hunting/the poll tax/runway 3/HS2"

"ah so you're going to sign a petition, maybe go on a march, campaign for it to be ended and push for motions and amendments in parliament then?"

"Oh god no - that would be undemocratic.  I'm going to accept it and do nothing" 

Remainers did everything within the law to try and change course.  That is democracy.

Note that the Leave government unarguably acted unlawfully in an attempt to thwart the democratic process.