Parts of NHS Face Collapse in 3wks/Ambulances: 9hr waits to hand over patients

[Good old]

Any mention of Mad Milburns debt, that millstone around the NHS neck how do you make that better?

The great supporter of privatisation. The man asked to take a post within the folds of the 2000  Tory /Lib coalition.
A sheep in Wolves clothing if ever there was one. But certainly not considered as inept by Cameron and Co. His previous record certainly didn't worry the Tories,  as much as it may worry you.

[Thomas]

In the year 2000 there were no university charges on the student for a nursing course  . Not until 2017 did that  apply in England. If the 2000 project was ever such a bad thing, then why was it so easy to implement charges on the prospective student that could only make things worse?
It's never any good crowing about past inadequacies if what has followed has made it even harder to create more nurses in the system.

im simply picking you up on the continuing new labour cac that you spout on this forum.

Watching you new labour types continually and stubbornly spout out the same tired old rhetoric that people have been seeing through for years is laughable.

I have seen numerous new labour party branch managers in scotland dutifully spout off the same tired line , and its as funny as feck watching nurses and many others go onto their twitter timeline and angrily tell them they are still paying off their student debts from new labours time in power before the snp finally did return the cost of higher education in scotland to zero that is was before labour got into  power.

[Good old]

What do you mean no uni fees in the year 2000?

If im picking you up here correct , then this is as ever good old new labour bullshit , being spouted by your self as normal.

The facts about the history of tuition fees in Scotland are stark and unarguable:

– in 1997 when Labour came to power, higher education was free.

– the Labour government then introduced fees of £1000 a year across the UK, which meant a four-year degree in Scotland suddenly cost £4000.

– in 2000, the Labour-led Scottish Executive replaced said fees with a "graduate endowment", meaning that Scottish students paid £2000 retrospectively towards the cost of their education – half of what it had cost them under Labour's fees system in 1999, but still £2000 more than the £0 they'd been paying in 1997.

In the space of three years, then, while claiming to have "abolished" tuition fees, Labour had in fact increased the cost of a degree in Scotland from zero to £2000. Those are the cold, hard, unyielding truths.

In the year 2000 there were no university charges on the student for a nursing course  . Not until 2017 did that  apply in England. If the 2000 project was ever such a bad thing, then why was it so easy to implement charges on the prospective student that could only make things worse?
It's never any good crowing about past inadequacies if what has followed has made it even harder to create more nurses in the system.

[Thomas]

Any mention of Mad Milburns debt, that millstone around the NHS neck how do you make that better?

Im more and more coming around to the idea of scrapping the nhs in its current form.

If scotland ever becomes indy , i would hope eventually a party somewhere will reform it and re design it away from what is currently in place towards the french system of part private part nhs.

Across the uk as it currently stands ,all we are going to continue to have is both labour/tory doing very little to improve , merely maintain the gradual slide of the current system which does not have a long term future.

I think we have been discussing the nhs over the years cromwell across the various forums , and very little has improved in that time wether under the thirteen years of new labour , or tory at westminster , never mind the devolved parliaments.

Sure the snp have done well as can be expected under a system where their hands are tied. Free at the point of use in my opinion has to end eventually , in line with the french and european models , not the yank system , but i appreciate its going to be difficult for any political party to deal with it.

[Thomas]

. Most noticeable are , that in 2000 there was a no uni, fee, and a decent bursary in place.

What do you mean no uni fees in the year 2000?

If im picking you up here correct , then this is as ever good old new labour bullshit , being spouted by your self as normal.

The facts about the history of tuition fees in Scotland are stark and unarguable:

– in 1997 when Labour came to power, higher education was free.

– the Labour government then introduced fees of £1000 a year across the UK, which meant a four-year degree in Scotland suddenly cost £4000.

– in 2000, the Labour-led Scottish Executive replaced said fees with a "graduate endowment", meaning that Scottish students paid £2000 retrospectively towards the cost of their education – half of what it had cost them under Labour's fees system in 1999, but still £2000 more than the £0 they'd been paying in 1997.

In the space of three years, then, while claiming to have "abolished" tuition fees, Labour had in fact increased the cost of a degree in Scotland from zero to £2000. Those are the cold, hard, unyielding truths.

[cromwell]

Some truth there , but  the last ten years have only made use of any flaws in the original reasoning behind Project 2000. Most noticeable are , that in 2000 there was a no uni, fee, and a decent bursary in place. 20 years later.
Ten  years to have improved it. Another ten years to realise its failings and make it better not worse.

Any mention of Mad Milburns debt, that millstone around the NHS neck how do you make that better?

[Good old]

Plus Tony Blair totally screwed up nurses training with his Project 2000.

Some truth there , but  the last ten years have only made use of any flaws in the original reasoning behind Project 2000. Most noticeable are , that in 2000 there was a no uni, fee, and a decent bursary in place. 20 years later.
Ten  years to have improved it. Another ten years to realise its failings and make it better not worse.

[papasmurf]

I don't doubt it. For decades we have been a country that steals the third world's medical wannabes instead of training our own.

Plus Tony Blair totally screwed up nurses training with his Project 2000.

[johnofgwent]

That is across the entire NHS, staff shortages.

I don't doubt it. For decades we have been a country that steals the third world's medical wannabes instead of training our own.

[papasmurf]

No staff, basically

That is across the entire NHS, staff shortages.

[johnofgwent]

Then get rid of Welsh Labour and vote in a better party as you constantly tell us or stand for election yourself, as you tell us (us being the forum) instead of letting yourself get shat on from a great height.

I am trying. But with Prickford setting up a decree that gives him another six months in power because of the 'danger' of holding an election in a pandemic, it's looking every day more likely we'll be needing some B&Q rope. Which is why he's decreed it is non-essential.


It also doesn't help that as of whenever this election takes place, children and all immigrants including the ones recently bussed to a detention centre in a Tory Marginal will have a vote !


But to come back to the point you raised in the OP, the situation is an annual problem, has been for decades, and while nine hour waits in an ambulance in the car park of the royal Gwent were not common - on average it was six - they were not unheard of, and I think the record was about 12 if you added in time in the corridor after they were finally dumped.


We've had people die waiting to be seen..


The queues have started up at the brand spanking new place too.


No staff, basically

[Borg Refinery]

Then get rid of Welsh Labour and vote in a better party as you constantly tell us or stand for election yourself, as you tell us (us being the forum) instead of letting yourself get shat on from a great height.

[johnofgwent]

The Welsh NHS under Labour Mismanagement are rarely more than a fortnight away from collapse at this time of year, EVERY year.


SCAREMONGERING headlines might frighten North Bristolians who are accustomed to a swish walk in centre open all hours built a little way from the M32 roundabout as part of a rather larger  minor surgery unit built specifically to woo Welsh GPs with huge waiting lists to hand their money to the English NHS to get their patients seen to .... But telling me your health service can last a week longer than the shit one we have thanks to devolution doesn't really have the desired effect ...

[Borg Refinery]

Almost two-thirds of NHS staff ready to walk


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Almost two-thirds of NHS staff ready to walk
"It's clear that clapping doesn't cut it anymore," union GMB said.
Jack Peat by Jack Peat January 11, 2021

Almost two-thirds of NHS staff say they are considering leaving the service once the pandemic has passed through, shocking new research has found.

On 'International Thank You' day figures show 61 per cent of NHS staff are considering leaving amid calls for more resources for the overwhelmed service.

GMB, the union for NHS staff, has demanded the Government move heaven and earth to support demoralised health staff on the international day of thanksgiving.

The stats reveal the lack of support from staff after chronic underfunding of the health service since the Tories came to power a decade ago.

Today GMB joined 13 other unions in launching a fair pay campaign for NHS staff and urging the public to use social media to champion the vital work of all health staff by supporting a decent pay rise.

Since 2009 the NHS annual budget has grown by a measly 1.4 per cent, rather than the 3.7 per cent it averaged since its establishment in 1948.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/almost-two-thirds-of-nhs-staff-ready-to-walk/11/01/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=almost-two-thirds-of-nhs-staff-ready-to-walk

[Borg Refinery]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/parts-of-nhs-facing-collapse-in-three-weeks-say-medical-chiefs-lncmxgh8j

The NHS is at risk of being overwhelmed within three weeks in parts of the country, Britain's four chief medical officers warned last night as hospital admissions overtook their first-wave peak.

In a statement raising Britain's Covid-19 alert level to five, Professor Chris Whitty and his counterparts in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland said that they were not confident that the service could handle a further sustained rise in cases.

9hr waits:
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/ambulances-waiting-up-to-nine-hours-to-hand-over-patients-paramedic-warns-39952449.html