labour party anti semitism.

[Thomas]

I see the labour party are trying to make a fuss about any proposed council tax increase next year for england and scotland. What a laugh.

There wasnt a single labour run council across these islands that didnt put up council tax last year , and on top of that as im sure cromwell will back up , the labour mayor of manchester was proposing putting up council tax to pay for more police officers.

Steve Reed
@SteveReedMP
The Conservatives are wrong to force councils to hike up council tax when household incomes are already under so much pressure

Duplicitous bunch of barstewards these people. They stood shoulder to shoulder with the tories years ago when the snp proposed a local income tax to replce  the unpopular council tax in scotland , and forced the snp to abandon it.

Someone has pointed out that council tax has trebled under labours watch in wales.

As we know in glasgow  ,as everyone does elsehwere , when labour are in charge at local level never mind national level , its a catalogue of failure, dysfunction corruption and waste.

80 years in charge of glasgow  , and when they were finally booted out , the much hiked council tax receipts didnt even cover debt interest repayments labour left.

[Thomas]

Methinks you need to read my post again,I said nothing of the kind.

He is too busy screaming to read your original post and digest it in a coherent manner cromwell.

How many times over the years have wee seen this from steve ? The pattern usually evolves something like he can't handle criticism and the cut and thrust of debate, has a breakdown then flounces off the forum throwing all the toys right oot the pram.

This is normally what happes when he comes out of the labour party momentum cult jerk circle into the real world and engage with those who hold differing views ...........and he can't handle it.

A reasonable more clued up individual would be trying to take on board what people are saying and why they wont vote labour , hence why labour can't win elections , and try to help  rectify the problem which makes them unelectable.

[Thomas]

I do not see "one of the more reasoned" posters, but someone who constantly lies about me, misrepresents me, wilfully misinterprets me - effectively borderline trolling. However reasonable he might seem to those who agree with him, with me he is on a constant dishonest wind up.

So I choose to ignore him and treat him with the contempt he deserves. He does not engage in honest debate with me but constantly seeks to distort, misrepresent and personally attack. If my lack of appreciation for others making his crap visible to me makes me a fascist, you clearly don't know what fascism is.

simply because i tell you the truth about labour?

Steve , you are making a complete fool of yourself and sounding like a whingeing crybaby. Man up FFS. Who are you to tell anyone on this forum who they can and cant quote?

You tell people you choose to ignore me , yet spend every other post talking about me to forum members while being too much of a coward to debate me directly.

Just about sums up the muddled borderline hysteric of an individual you have always been on these political forums over the last ten years.

[Barry]

I do not see "one of the more reasoned" posters, but someone who constantly lies about me, misrepresents me, wilfully misinterprets me - effectively borderline trolling. However reasonable he might seem to those who agree with him, with me he is on a constant dishonest wind up.

So I choose to ignore him and treat him with the contempt he deserves. He does not engage in honest debate with me but constantly seeks to distort, misrepresent and personally attack. If my lack of appreciation for others making his crap visible to me makes me a fascist, you clearly don't know what fascism is.

You avoided the point I made.
I don't deny you the right to block Thomas. I object to you telling others not to quote him. It's that which makes me ask if you are a fascist, and it would appear that you are a left wing fascist. You would be at home in Venezuela.

[cromwell]

Methinks you need to read my post again,I said nothing of the kind.

So you read the post but couldn't be arsed retracting

[cromwell]

Little to respond to here as the person doing most of the posting has been blocked.

As for Cromwell's contribution, I dispute that the Labour party has been in any way extremist, certainly not in policy terms. Most of it's policies from 2017 for example polled very well, many of them are desperately needed, and all would have been in the mainstream of social democracy pre-Blair.

A number of them have already been carried out by the SNP in Scotland. Others, such as public ownership of the railways and utilities, and effective rent control and security of tenure, are already in place in such non extremist societies as most of western Europe.

Methinks you need to read my post again,I said nothing of the kind.

[srb7677]

Not only do you want to block out one of the more reasoned and prolific posters on this forum, you want to control others about who they quote.
Are you a fascist, srb7677?

I do not see "one of the more reasoned" posters, but someone who constantly lies about me, misrepresents me, wilfully misinterprets me - effectively borderline trolling. However reasonable he might seem to those who agree with him, with me he is on a constant dishonest wind up.

So I choose to ignore him and treat him with the contempt he deserves. He does not engage in honest debate with me but constantly seeks to distort, misrepresent and personally attack. If my lack of appreciation for others making his crap visible to me makes me a fascist, you clearly don't know what fascism is.

[Thomas]

Check labour polling in wales FFS.

[Thomas]

I wish you'd stop quoting that annoying obsessive Thomas who only ever spouts the same crap, when he is not being dishonest or wilfully abusive. I have him blocked because I don't want to see his shit.

He is hopelessly confused. A right winger who loves the SNP and it's progressive policies yet attacks Labour for the same frigging ones! And a champion of Scottish nationalism who nevertheless upholds the right of the English to outvote the Scots on Brexit just because he agrees with the former against the majority of his own people.

Confused and contemptible, but a whole lot easier to ignore if you and others stopped quoting his repetitive shit.

[Thomas]

I wish you'd stop quoting that annoying obsessive Thomas who only ever spouts the same crap, when he is not being dishonest or wilfully abusive. I have him blocked because I don't want to see his shit.

That isnt a surprise steve. Smacks of cowardice and unable to fight your corner , so you retreat into hiding.

He is hopelessly confused. A right winger

Im not a right winger steve. Im more right wing than you , but so is everyone on this forum. If you arent calling old lefties like pappysmurf and his never ending tory bad "right wing" because he doesnt support labours mass immigration , you are calling good old "right wing" for being blairite , or cromwell , deppity dawg or myself right wing for abandoning labour.

The only hopelessly confused indivudual on this froum is yourself.

who loves the SNP and it's progressive policies yet attacks Labour for the same frigging ones!

Repeat after me steve ...thomas supports scottish independence. Thats why i vote snp.

Many parties have good and bad policy , many parties have popular , unpopular , progressive and regressive policy . 

Labour and clowns like you think by telling people in scotland that you have a pregressive policy you nicked off the snp , so vote for us while we piss on your independence vote , or people in england the same while you piss on theri brexit vote , never mind your past inglorious record of duplicity , that this will make people vote for labour again.

No going back once the scales have fallen from our eyes steve.

And a champion of Scottish nationalism who nevertheless upholds the right of the English to outvote the Scots on Brexit just because he agrees with the former against the majority of his own people.

Aye thats correct down to a tee.

We have been telling people that in this union , england will always outvote us on every subject , and if we stay in this union ( 2014) it will happen time and again , not just on electing conservative governments but issues like brexit.

People like you were telling scots to vote to stay in your union in 2014 , and people like me were telling them to leave, and we could have been sitting watchig brexit unfold eating popcorn.

Guess who was right? Aye  , not the duplicitous labour supporter , who only wants scotland for voting fodder.

On top of that , labour in scotland are now running around telling scots we have to accept englands brexit. 

Confused and contemptible, but a whole lot easier to ignore if you and others stopped quoting his repetitive shit.

Well we are in the latest thread on labours anti semtism , you know the very anti semticm you to this day still refuse to acknowledge as a part problem.

Rememebr your weak excuse that labour werent anti semitic simply because you momentum types hadnt witnessesed it personally , despite the fact many of us provided you with massive amounts of evidence , yet here you are decying me for once more telling you the truth in this thread  as talking repetitive shit?

[Barry]

I wish you'd stop quoting that annoying obsessive Thomas who only ever spouts the same crap, when he is not being dishonest or wilfully abusive. I have him blocked because I don't want to see his shit.

He is hopelessly confused. A right winger who loves the SNP and it's progressive policies yet attacks Labour for the same frigging ones! And a champion of Scottish nationalism who nevertheless upholds the right of the English to outvote the Scots on Brexit just because he agrees with the former against the majority of his own people.

Confused and contemptible, but a whole lot easier to ignore if you and others stopped quoting his repetitive shit.

Not only do you want to block out one of the more reasoned and prolific posters on this forum, you want to control others about who they quote.
Are you a fascist, srb7677?

[srb7677]

I read somewhere the other day, that we have had a very British type revolution in politics, nobody actually noticed least of all the Westminster party who seem to think we will put up with business as usual. I like to think there is a new generation on its way who will build on it, the future is what you make it, the opportunities have been created, as for the woke, you couldn't wake them with a bomb up their useless backsides.

I wish you'd stop quoting that annoying obsessive Thomas who only ever spouts the same crap, when he is not being dishonest or wilfully abusive. I have him blocked because I don't want to see his shit.

He is hopelessly confused. A right winger who loves the SNP and it's progressive policies yet attacks Labour for the same frigging ones! And a champion of Scottish nationalism who nevertheless upholds the right of the English to outvote the Scots on Brexit just because he agrees with the former against the majority of his own people.

Confused and contemptible, but a whole lot easier to ignore if you and others stopped quoting his repetitive shit.

[Thomas]

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[Sheepy]

that's a good point. but I'm sure Biden doesn't want to launch a war against Saudi to take back control of the oil proce

The CIA is said to have concluded with a high degree of confidence that Prince Mohammed, or MBS - a close ally of the previous government - ordered the Washington Post columnist's assassination at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul in 2018. However, its contents have not been made public.
However, the new Sherriff says they will follow the law and release the full version to the house of representatives. Just saying.

[johnofgwent]

You sure it didn't go a bit pear shaped for the Prince when Biden got in and he has been doing a lot of back peddling ever since.

that's a good point. but I'm sure Biden doesn't want to launch a war against Saudi to take back control of the oil proce