I have left Labour

[Streetwalker]

In reality there are only 3 parties:

Communist
Socialist
Capitalist

Communism doesn't work because there are always people more equal than others (Animal Farm)

Socialism deems as a society we will look after those that can't look after their selves. Unfortunately the woke society merges the workers and the shirkers and the likes of Pappy will fight for anyone except those with an ounce of get up and go.

Capitalism however rewards anyone willing to work, the harder you work, the better your lot.
Oh what a terrible system! Having to earn what you are paid instead of freeloading.

You could add populists  to that list . We just need one who would become popular 

[Borchester]

FPTP is the major problem here. It is a de facto stitch up between Labour and Tories to keepo everyone else out and preven t new forces from rising.

That is right and it ain't gonna change.

Every minority right, left and centre party supports proportional representation. And once they are in power they think well, pull up the ladder Jack because we are on board.

If the extreme anything want power they must listen to the electorate rather than expecting the electorate to listen in adoring adoration to them. And that is one thing neither the woodentops of the left or right will ever do.

[srb7677]

I suspect srb will find there are a number of places where his views would be more in tune with the members, but their chance of electoral success and translating those views into reality is minimal.

FPTP is the major problem here. It is a de facto stitch up between Labour and Tories to keepo everyone else out and preven t new forces from rising.

[srb7677]

What was the reaction ?

To be honest as yet there hasnt been any, but will keep you posted if I get one. They are probably consulting their centrist chums to find out how and if to react, knowing them.

[srb7677]

In reality there are only 3 parties:

Communist
Socialist
Capitalist

Communism doesn't work because there are always people more equal than others (Animal Farm)

Socialism deems as a society we will look after those that can't look after their selves. Unfortunately the woke society merges the workers and the shirkers and the likes of Pappy will fight for anyone except those with an ounce of get up and go.

Capitalism however rewards anyone willing to work, the harder you work, the better your lot.
Oh what a terrible system! Having to earn what you are paid instead of freeloading.

Simplistic nonsense if I may say so. Work has long since ceased to be the route out of poverty for millions. We have created a society where the route to prosperity is ownership, regardless of whether you actually do any work, all at the expense of the workers.

To function well for all society needs some measure of capitalism that is well regulated but it also needs an active state. And we badly need a new economic consensus.

[srb7677]

Does this mean you are now homeless or do you have somewhere in mind?

I have no plans to join any other party at all. But I lwith others who have left the party are organising informally outside it and may well locally help to campaign for any genuinely left leaning candidates, whatever party they may be from. The atmosphere inside Labour is utterly toxic and I am glad to be rid of it.

[Borchester]

Alternatively, one might say Labour's policies have moved on from the 1960s.

Or that the traditional Labour voters have. There is still plenty of poverty and unemployment and crap jobs and homelessness, but not enough to provide the solid bedrock of support the left had in the 1960s.

To some extent it could be said that the Labour party has done itself out of business.

[Sampanviking]

You do not have to be hard left to see the imbalances that currently exist and to seek to rectify them.
Capital needs to put back into its place and not elevated to the point where its interest and its interests alone are pandered to at the expense of all other sectors of society.
In short, Capital has been allowed to hijak the entire political system and its needs putting back into its place.

[Barry]

srb7677 - politically homeless, I suspect. Along with me, SW and others.
At the last elections I spoiled both ballot papers as none were worth a vote. I cannot see there being a party I could support in my lifetime, but we live in hope.
Maybe Sheepy's direct democracy party.

[papasmurf]

Alternatively, one might say Labour's policies have moved on from the 1960s.

Which is another reason for the loss of Labour's core voters.

[johnofgwent]

I think the reality is Labour has left you along with the five million of its core voter base who left Labour because of Tony Blair.
(I have to repeat yet again I have never been a member of or supporter of any political party.)

Alternatively, one might say Labour's policies have moved on from the 1960s.

[papasmurf]

Well, the moment has arrived. I have informed the local party chair that I am resigning my membership of the Labour party and will be cancelling my debit tomorrow.

I think the reality is Labour has left you along with the five million of its core voter base who left Labour because of Tony Blair.
(I have to repeat yet again I have never been a member of or supporter of any political party.)

[johnofgwent]

Does this mean you are now homeless or do you have somewhere in mind?

I suspect srb will find there are a number of places where his views would be more in tune with the members, but their chance of electoral success and translating those views into reality is minimal.

[johnofgwent]

Well, the moment has arrived. I have informed the local party chair that I am resigning my membership of the Labour party and will be cancelling my debit tomorrow. I no  longer have faith in it as a vehicle for the necessary change society needs, particularly under Starmer. And the party is full of middle class centrists who think anything moderately progressive and social democratoc is "far left". I am fed up with these types ruling the roost in my local party. Many of them want to utterly abandon the working class and become an avowedly middle class party, run by and for the affluent middle classes. More concerned about identrity politics and every kind of inequality you can imagine except the one that should matter most - economic inequality. I am fed up with a party still largely led by those who have bought into huge tranches of the Thatcherite consensus. Even Labour in parliament contains far more landlords than tenants. They are out of touch. And I am fed up with constantly butting heads with Blairite types on party forums who are forever defending the economic status quo, and sometimes harbour open disdain for working class people.

It is time for me to leave and stop wasting my money and effort on something I don't believe in.

What was the reaction ?


(I remember the SDP were not terribly happy when I told them I'd found out about Shirley Williams' role in having the grammar school I was entitled to attend bulldozed and me and every other high IQ pupil bussed to a shithole school miles away in a sinkhole council estate gulag so they could shove their party membership renewal somewhere biological ......)

[Nick]

I would guess like many of us srb  has been homeless for some time voting for the same shite every election in the hope if elected they will somehow represent us .
We hang on ,hoping for change but eventually even the most loyal ,the most enthusiastic of party members eventually come to the conclusion that politicians only represent themselves ,that political parties put gaining power more important than gaining trust .

This applies across the board , left or right . Doesn't matter who we elect ,Westminster stays the same

Welcome to the political homeless srb

In reality there are only 3 parties:

Communist
Socialist
Capitalist

Communism doesn't work because there are always people more equal than others (Animal Farm)

Socialism deems as a society we will look after those that can't look after their selves. Unfortunately the woke society merges the workers and the shirkers and the likes of Pappy will fight for anyone except those with an ounce of get up and go.

Capitalism however rewards anyone willing to work, the harder you work, the better your lot.
Oh what a terrible system! Having to earn what you are paid instead of freeloading.