Cost of energy and the cost of living crisis.

[Thomas]

Not at all Thomas. To get your message out there, you need opposing views. As I said, you don't connect with users who argue against you. And you don't connect with those who have alliances. You make your point to lurkers. And now everyone knows why North Sea gas goes to the rest of the world. We have an economic model that works on profits and if you want gas to be nationalised you need to support socialist parties and policies.

I always think when in a hole its best to stop digging.

I welcome opposing views , and i have told you that repeatedly. I dont welcome your dishonest style of debating , as this thread shows.

By debating dishonestly , not only do you make yourself look foolish as barry has said ,but you undermine any political message you wish to sell.

Its not difficult.

We have an economic model that works on profits and if you want gas to be nationalised you need to support socialist parties and policies

i dont support the uk , so why on earth would i want the uk government to nationalise or privatise  oil and gas , 92 % and 63 % which is in scottish waters ?

Repeat after me once again boycey , thomas is not a socialist.

Keep repeating it till it sinks in and you get the gist of what im saying to you .

[Sheepy]

The debate within the thread over whether it was about exporting fracking gas or North Sea gas was amusing, if peurile.
I enjoyed spectating.
If you read the post which Sheepy wrote:
https://pol-tics.com/united-kingdom-politics/2/cost-of-energy-and-the-cost-of-living-crisis/4933/msg87720#msg87720
He is replying to a post talking about both fracking and North Sea Gas.
Anyone with an iota, jot or tittle of common sense might know we have not commercially produced any fracking gas, so the export question was about North Sea Gas.
Thomas expanded on that, but it seems Boysie is like a terrier with a plastic bone, never wanting to let it go, but knowing he can't eat it.
Hilarious stuff.

Meanwhile Rishi gives us back our heating bill money via council tax bands A-D. What a wally.

It is rather amusing I admit, but it is always the same caught with lack of knowledge, scream Tory. Good Old did to Thomas, Boycey did it for me and Smurphy never says anything different. A bit of a pattern.

[B0ycey]

Is this you about to throw your rattle out yer pram and flounce off the forum in a huff boycey?

Not at all Thomas. To get your message out there, you need opposing views. As I said, you don't connect with users who argue against you. And you don't connect with those who have alliances. You make your point to lurkers. And now everyone knows why North Sea gas goes to the rest of the world. We have an economic model that works on profits and if you want gas to be nationalised you need to support socialist parties and policies.

[Thomas]

I am impressed that you can do it that quick.

why are you impressed?

[Thomas]

To be fair, it doesn't surprise me people want to twist this on a f**k up by Sheepy given he is a Tory on a forum full of Tories. But whatever. The point still stands if people want to talk about North Sea gas and not fracking despite it clearly being a post about fracking. If you want to know why we export gas, it is because we don't own what comes out the ground. We have leased out the land. And that is ironic for a free marketer like Sheepy to moan about actually.

Is this you about to throw your rattle out yer pram and flounce off the forum in a huff boycey?

[papasmurf]

That is all I have time to say for now because much of my free time this morning was taken up with applying online for Universal Credit, .

I am impressed that you can do it that quick.

[B0ycey]

The debate within the thread over whether it was about exporting fracking gas or North Sea gas was amusing, if peurile.
I enjoyed spectating.
If you read the post which Sheepy wrote:
https://pol-tics.com/united-kingdom-politics/2/cost-of-energy-and-the-cost-of-living-crisis/4933/msg87720#msg87720
He is replying to a post talking about both fracking and North Sea Gas.
Anyone with an iota, jot or tittle of common sense might know we have not commercially produced any fracking gas, so the export question was about North Sea Gas.
Thomas expanded on that, but it seems Boysie is like a terrier with a plastic bone, never wanting to let it go, but knowing he can't eat it.
Hilarious stuff.

Meanwhile Rishi gives us back our heating bill money via council tax bands A-D. What a wally.

To be fair, it doesn't surprise me people want to twist this on a f**k up by Sheepy given he is a Tory on a forum full of Tories. But whatever. The point still stands if people want to talk about North Sea gas and not fracking despite it clearly being a post about fracking. If you want to know why we export gas, it is because we don't own what comes out the ground. We have leased out the land. And that is ironic for a free marketer like Sheepy to moan about actually.

[Thomas]

The debate within the thread over whether it was about exporting fracking gas or North Sea gas was amusing, if peurile.
I enjoyed spectating.
If you read the post which Sheepy wrote:
https://pol-tics.com/united-kingdom-politics/2/cost-of-energy-and-the-cost-of-living-crisis/4933/msg87720#msg87720
He is replying to a post talking about both fracking and North Sea Gas.
Anyone with an iota, jot or tittle of common sense might know we have not commercially produced any fracking gas, so the export question was about North Sea Gas.
Thomas expanded on that, but it seems Boysie is like a terrier with a plastic bone, never wanting to let it go, but knowing he can't eat it.
Hilarious stuff.

pretty much barry.

I like boycey , but clearly he is beginning to get a reputation of being a completely dishonest poster who will argue black is white to save face.

Sad otherwise what is in effect a completly interesting thread is being taken up as you say be such a puerile point that everyone can see with the exception of boycey is laughable in the extreme.

Im losing count now how many times boycey derails thread with complete utter straw men arguments  , one of the most puerile weak debating tricks in the book.

Same shit different day.

[srb7677]

We are heading for serious hardship. Food prices are going through the roof, and the increases are at their sharpest with the cheapest products, ie the very things the lowest paid rely on. I have been seeing percentage increases on these products well into double digits. Energy prices are also going through the roof and are going to hit us hard, especially the lower paid. Taxes are set to rise in April too. And the cost of fuel has rocketed. 

A crisis is looming for millions. This has been made worse by the fact that a lot of this has increased costs for businesses large and small too which are seeking to make cutbacks, often by reducing hours. My own employer is doing this with the overtime budget slashed. Since it refuses to give most of us more than part time contracts, those of us who need a full time wage are dependent upon overtime which is being withdrawn in large measure. Consequently, quite a few of us, including me, have just applied for - or are about to apply for - Universal Credit out of necessity. Ours is only one of many employers attempting to do similar to cut costs, which will simply widen and deepen the cost of living crisis for millions, and will inevitably result in due course in falling tax receipts and increased welfare costs, because lower pay naturally reduces the amount of tax being paid whilst increasing the reliance upon welfare.

And some idiot at the Bank of England on a 500k salary has told us all to forego pay rises for a couple of years in the interests of the economy, but what is the point of supporting an economic model that depends upon us all getting poorer? Besides which, excessive pay rises - except at the very top - are hardly something most of us are experiencing, and pay increases are lagging well behind inflation. So unlike in the 70s to some extent, pay is not driving inflation but falling victim to it. I am not at all sure what if any pay rise my employer will give us this year but it is likely to be well below inflation. And even if we did get a good one, that will be far more than wiped out by the lack of overtime.

Tough times lie ahead. The chancellor's promised help is welcome but is a drop in the ocean really in comparison to what is needed. There really ought to be some form of direct action on excdessive costs themselves, the largest of them often being housing costs. Perhaps UC help should be extended to struggling mortgage payers? And there should be an immediate legally binding freeze on all private rent increases for two years. Ideally there should be some means of legally enforcing a reduction in the most excessive rents by some form of at least temporary rent cap. Perhaps energy costs should be taken into account as well as rent when calculating UC entitlement. Or perhaps the winter fuel payments should be increased for poorer pensioners and extended to other age groups who are struggling financially.

That is all I have time to say for now because much of my free time this morning was taken up with applying online for Universal Credit, .

[Barry]

The debate within the thread over whether it was about exporting fracking gas or North Sea gas was amusing, if peurile.
I enjoyed spectating.
If you read the post which Sheepy wrote:
https://pol-tics.com/united-kingdom-politics/2/cost-of-energy-and-the-cost-of-living-crisis/4933/msg87720#msg87720
He is replying to a post talking about both fracking and North Sea Gas.
Anyone with an iota, jot or tittle of common sense might know we have not commercially produced any fracking gas, so the export question was about North Sea Gas.
Thomas expanded on that, but it seems Boysie is like a terrier with a plastic bone, never wanting to let it go, but knowing he can't eat it.
Hilarious stuff.

Meanwhile Rishi gives us back our heating bill money via council tax bands A-D. What a wally.

[Thomas]

Well everytime I read a post I wrote, it seem clear to me that is was about fracking. Any reference to the North Sea is an after thought.

please refer to my earlier reply once again...

You are either being deliberately obtuse , or you arent the full ticket.

Here we are yet again on yet another thread with you having to do a thread synopsis and he said she said simply because of your unwillingness to debate honestly.

On the 14th post of the first page of this thread , hallowed brexit mentioned fracking. You and pappysmurf appear to be the only two people on this entire forum who dont realise hallowed brexit is a wind up merchant constantly taking the piss.

on the 4th post of the second page , sheepy replied to an earlier comment you had made..

Quote from: B0ycey on February 04, 2022, 11:55:44 AM
To which sheepy replied...


Quote from: Sheepy on February 04, 2022, 11:59:52 AM
Now to me  , sheepy was clearly referring to north sea gas , and asking about how much has been exported. He wasnt referring to shale gas , as everone knows fracking is banned and the uk doesnt produce any shale gas to fackin export.

To emphasise the point he was making , in his next reply to you on that  second page of this thread , sheepy even linked to a daily mail article talking about uk gas exports dubling in a year..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10455627/UK-gas-exports-double-year-millions-British-families-face-soaring-bills.html

While you carried on waffling on about fracking , a point no one had made in any serious way .

You do this consistenly on numerous threads , attack points no can't is making. I really wish you would stop it , and practice what you preach and read the replies , not what you think people are saying in their replies.

[B0ycey]

heres your post yet agin for the hard of reading and understanding

Well everytime I read a post I wrote, it seem clear to me that is was about fracking. Any reference to the North Sea is an after thought. 

[Thomas]

They aren't in government. 

New labour were for thirteen years , and many of thier policies are still having an negative effect on us today. 

[Thomas]

But that is a problem of the free market in key sectors Thomas. The UK doesn't drill the gas and oil and as such doesn't own the stuff that comes out either. They lease out the land, very much like a landlord can't profit or sell a small business owners products despite him owning the factory. If anyone thinks that is wrong then what they are calling for is what Venezuela did a few years back to renationalise and break contracts in the process. It didn't end up well for them because they got sanctioned. Which I guess is what will happen to us if we tell a Dutch company they can't sell outside the UK.

Again you attack an argument no one is making. I repeat we all know north sea oil and gas isnt nationalised , and i have posted links which explain why both the uk and other european nations are having problems with free market polices over decades which are now coming back to haunt them.

[papasmurf]

 but dont forget to criticise new labour and the likes of starmer , and his crew like rachel reeve and many others

They aren't in government.