Aliens exist and could be here on earth

[papasmurf]

Some people cause me to think of another use for both.

[DeppityDawg]

A shovel isn't used for digging a spade is.

Some people cause me to think of another use for both.

[papasmurf]

 You wouldn't know which end of a shovel goes in the ground.

A shovel isn't used for digging a spade is.

[Baron von Lotsov]

 You wouldn't know which end of a shovel goes in the ground.

Very true. I've never had a working class job in my life. You've got me bang to rights.

[DeppityDawg]

I guess my working class disguise is not so convincing after all.

You could never pass as working class, no matter what disguise you wore. Your twee, entitled middle class musings, and  the fact you write things like "oh bum" give you away. You wouldn't know which end of a shovel goes in the ground.

[Baron von Lotsov]

There are a couple on this fecking forum.

I guess my working class disguise is not so convincing after all.

[johnofgwent]

Ah, you mean valleys' men?



Sorry, just quoting a Welsh friend. When it comes to snobbery, you can't beat a middle class, socialist academic.

As a viking invader, who followed the tradition by invading the lowland urban area in order to seduce and make off with a raven haired wild celt ... yes indeed.

[Borchester]

By the same token, we might be the dregs of life left to rot in the unfashionable western spiral arm after the fun guys partied themselves to death in the other.

Ah, you mean valleys' men?



Sorry, just quoting a Welsh friend. When it comes to snobbery, you can't beat a middle class, socialist academic.

[johnofgwent]

I vehemently disagree.  How old is the Earth?  We could easily have evolved a million years earlier, or later, it's not much in comparison to the Earth's age.  The string of circumstances that led to us is staggeringly long, and therefore unpredictable.  I expect thousands or millions of biological entities exist, and each has a 50/50 chance of being more advanced.

By the same token, we might be the dregs of life left to rot in the unfashionable western spiral arm after the fun guys partied themselves to death in the other.

[Scott777]

Thanks for biting.  

No. The evidence of alien existence, radio transmissions from distant planets, spacecraft, or life on other planets is zero.

The evidence God exists is that we are here and have been created. We didn't happen by accident. But it's an alien thread, not a god thread, so I'll leave it there.

It was more of a peck.



But sticking to aliens, and the fact that we are here, why should the possibility of God trump the possibility of aliens?  How about we were created by aliens?  Or the seeds of life were alien?  These are equally plausible.  If God has always existed, why not aliens instead?

[Barry]

I would suggest the evidence is the same - none.  It's an interesting comparison, that some people claim our existence is evidence of God, but equally, our existence is evidence that life can come to exist naturally.  It all depends on your initial assumption - do we tend to assume a godlike starting point, or a scientific one? :shrg:

Thanks for biting.  

No. The evidence of alien existence, radio transmissions from distant planets, spacecraft, or life on other planets is zero.

The evidence God exists is that we are here and have been created. We didn't happen by accident. But it's an alien thread, not a god thread, so I'll leave it there.

[Scott777]

There's less evidence of alien life than there is of God, unless one considers God to be an alien.  :shrg:

I would suggest the evidence is the same - none.  It's an interesting comparison, that some people claim our existence is evidence of God, but equally, our existence is evidence that life can come to exist naturally.  It all depends on your initial assumption - do we tend to assume a godlike starting point, or a scientific one? :shrg:

[Scott777]

Life may well have developed elsewhere in the universe but whos to say we on earth have not developed faster than others and are the most advance ?

Bit depressing I know but when people talk of aliens and there must be something out there in the million of stars I don't think we should be expecting some sort of super species .

I vehemently disagree.  How old is the Earth?  We could easily have evolved a million years earlier, or later, it's not much in comparison to the Earth's age.  The string of circumstances that led to us is staggeringly long, and therefore unpredictable.  I expect thousands or millions of biological entities exist, and each has a 50/50 chance of being more advanced.

[Scott777]

Well, yes. As my degree is not that dissimilar to hers and she and I would have followed the exact same syllabus in our first year, it will come as no surprise that I agree with the first part of her statements quoted in the article. That there probably is some form of organised chemical reaction going on somewhere that exhibits the seven features of living organisms as taught in O level biology.



It's the second part, that such may be here now and we can't see them that I have issues with, for unless they're living in a colony world next to a deep oceanic thermal vent, she's getting dangerously (for her professional status) close to the ideas of Lovecraft and Von Daniken

Lovecraft?  Enormous monstrous deities from the stars?  A little different, I suspect.  Humanoid aliens could potentially exist and land in secret, and there's no reason that we would all know about it.

[Scott777]

So says a UK former astronaut,I look at the odd post occasionally and think yeah you're right  :mrgreen:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51003374">//https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51003374

I'm sure everyone accepts that I exist, that they exist, but the question is only whether any have landed, and more importantly, can they use their advanced technology, light years ahead, to deliver Brexit.