What is really happening in the Ukraine Conflict?

[Thomas]

There is only one country that deserves to win this war and that is the sovereign country.

has anyone won yet?

Lost interest a long time ago in this , people believe what they want to belive. On a serious note ,there wont be any winners at all in this , and the ukrainians , who are being given a right using , are going to spend years trying desperately to repair the mess the yanks and biden have left them in.

I suppose the "ukraine war" serves a necessary purpose in taking people minds off the disaster in the uk at the minute though. If o neil become first minister of the 6 counties , that might focus some minds away from events in some unknown country on the other side of europe most folk hadnt heard of before this year.

[T00ts]

There is only one country that deserves to win this war and that is the sovereign country. 

[Sampanviking]

looks like the cracks are starting to show with a video purporting to be a company of the Ukrainian 79th Brigade that are giving up the fight, citing poor equipment and leadership
Not every Ukrainian soldier is afterall, a rabid ultranationalist.

https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1522464744866734082?s=20&t=wdTJYSTXJZFY0-sgF0qOOg

[Sampanviking]

More advances today in the North of the Donbas
This is footage from the outside of a village just to the North of Severdonetsk, where a good chink of territory was retaken by Russian and local forces
There is a lot of very similar footage to this coming out every day now.
This is nicer than most as everybody is alive.

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1522308632242802694?s=20&t=hjXK28sNZNNlkFelcV4bAA

[Nick]

There have been continual negotiations with the Russians since their tanks rolled over the Ukraine border. The problem is that they have been behaving like playground bullies who don't have any objective other than being playground bullies.

Which pretty much equates to not negotiating. 

[T00ts]

If you've not watched this worth it and if you have worth watching again.

If he  hadn't made himself president for life, poisoned people and invaded the Ukraine the way he did other things too I'd have sympathy and some agreement with what he said.


https://youtu.be/hQ58Yv6kP44

Mmm interesting. I still see a wolf in sheep's clothing though. It all sounds very reasonable but I get the feeling that his co-operation would only be if it benefits Russia.

[cromwell]

If you've not watched this worth it and if you have worth watching again.

If he  hadn't made himself president for life, poisoned people and invaded the Ukraine the way he did other things too I'd have sympathy and some agreement with what he said.


https://youtu.be/hQ58Yv6kP44

[Sampanviking]

The BBC does love to edit.....
Same lady and presumably the same interview to the same Russian Reporter, however......

https://twitter.com/Fishcak18433002/status/1521182911906598917?s=20&t=pOfoprL8X4ECaUO4Zko_Rw

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-61294744

[T00ts]

As far as I have heard Putin only has one negotiation point. Total capitulation of Ukraine. 

[Barry]

Surely, there will have to be negotiations between Russia and Ukraine — through intermediaries, if necessary — if this war is to end without either side having surrendered or being utterly defeated?

Even if the result was a ceasefire line with some parts of Ukraine ceded to the powerful aggressor's puppets (similar to Korea) that must be better than the continued loss of life and obliteration of the country...

It worked for Turkey in Cyprus, but they are still Pariahs and for that reason they can't join the EU. All actions have consequences.
However, I don't think Russia should gain from their aggression.

[patman post]

There have been continual negotiations with the Russians since their tanks rolled over the Ukraine border. The problem is that they have been behaving like playground bullies who don't have any objective other than being playground bullies.

I don't disagree, but my comment was in response to:

Why would you need to negotiate with someone who is defending their territory?
You only negotiate with an aggressor, which pretty much tells you all you need to know.

My meaning was that although third parties (the "you" in the comment) will need to assist in negotiations for a ceasefire, any agreement to stop the fighting has to be between Russia and Ukraine...

[Good old]

There have been continual negotiations with the Russians since their tanks rolled over the Ukraine border. The problem is that they have been behaving like playground bullies who don't have any objective other than being playground bullies.

Yes, the only negotiation Russia conducts is the exact nature of your capitulation.

[Borchester]

Surely, there will have to be negotiations between Russia and Ukraine — through intermediaries, if necessary — if this war is to end without either side having surrendered or being utterly defeated?

Even if the result was a ceasefire line with some parts of Ukraine ceded to the powerful aggressor's puppets (similar to Korea) that must be better than the continued loss of life and obliteration of the country...

There have been continual negotiations with the Russians since their tanks rolled over the Ukraine border. The problem is that they have been behaving like playground bullies who don't have any objective other than being playground bullies.

[patman post]

Why would you need to negotiate with someone who is defending their territory?
You only negotiate with an aggressor, which pretty much tells you all you need to know.

Surely, there will have to be negotiations between Russia and Ukraine — through intermediaries, if necessary — if this war is to end without either side having surrendered or being utterly defeated?

Even if the result was a ceasefire line with some parts of Ukraine ceded to the powerful aggressor's puppets (similar to Korea) that must be better than the continued loss of life and obliteration of the country...

[cromwell]

Anyway if you think our parliament members are a bit barmy,we need to pray for our moss covered queen and eat some porridge

If you don't understand this Scott,neither do I

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1520120085133897728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1520120085133897728%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=