Confirmatory Vote.

[Hyperduck Quack Quack]

As will the people who voted Tory. The problem being they are not prepared to mitigate the consequences, my wife and I are prepared as much as we can be. But I can't mitigate against the ever longer wait I am having for eye surgery.

I'm not saying Brexit will be a good thing, I've argued for years on the old forum that it would be a bad thing and I still think that.  But the numbers yesterday show there's now no democratic way of stopping Brexit.  Short of Boris Johnson changing his mind or some and sudden dire national crisis bigger than Brexit itself, there's going to be a Brexit of some sort.



Ah . . . a dire national crisis bigger than Brexit itself . . . what could that be?   The break-up of the UK, maybe.



For the record, I voted Lib Dem.  They adopted a policy of revoking Article 50 if elected.  Nobody expected them to win the election but if they had, then that result would have been a democratic means of reversing Brexit in the same ways as the actual result endorsed Brexit. That's something that a lot of people failed to grasp, including the Green Party's Caroline Lucas, who should have known better.

[papasmurf]

  The people have spoken and now we all have to face the consequences.

As will the people who voted Tory. The problem being they are not prepared to mitigate the consequences, my wife and I are prepared as much as we can be. But I can't mitigate against the ever longer wait I am having for eye surgery.

[Hyperduck Quack Quack]

So, if the Conservatives return a Majority on Thursday I assume all the Remainers will accept this as the People saying what they want with 3 and a half years of knowledge behind them. No more you didn't know what you were doing.



I doubt it cause you wouldn't know democracy if it slapped you in the face.

I posted elsewhere that I, as a remainer, do accept the election result as a confirmatory vote and much as I don't like it, it was a clear vote for leaving the EU, which we should now do.  I always argued that the one-off 2016 referendum, with that tiny majority three and a half years ago, wasn't enough, on its own.  Now we've had an election and we know what the will of the people is now.  The people have spoken and now we all have to face the consequences.

[GerryT]

Great film very funny



I know so do most other people we still have a way to go yet, if you are happy where you are and your lot in life and enjoy with the choice you made good, now let others who actually do live here the majority who have made their choice to change things in the UK do the same

That's the way it's always been, the UK is not being interfered with in any way by the EU in how the UK makes it's decisions. The problem isn't making the decision it's actually getting enough people in the UK to agree, but this election might just change that.

So now we have that sorted, we can drop the EU intransigent line, the UK can now make a decision, deal or no-deal. See what's on offer (we know that), take it or leave it, it's not complicated. Neither the EU or UK are obliged to make a deal.

[Churchill]

Nice try but the only reason the UK hasn't left is the UK  :: The future trade talks haven't even started yet. It's like that scene of the sheriff in blazing saddles holding a gun to his head, its really funny from outside the UK.

Great film very funny



I know so do most other people we still have a way to go yet, if you are happy where you are and your lot in life and enjoy with the choice you made good, now let others who actually do live here the majority who have made their choice to change things in the UK do the same

[GerryT]

If the EU had not been so intransigent and some of our MP's had carried out the instruction the electorate had given them, we would have been out of the EU many moons ago

Nice try but the only reason the UK hasn't left is the UK  :: The future trade talks haven't even started yet. It's like that scene of the sheriff in blazing saddles holding a gun to his head, its really funny from outside the UK.

[Churchill]

If the EU had not been so intransigent and some of our MP's had carried out the instruction the electorate had given them, we would have been out of the EU many moons ago

[GerryT]

They were intransigent as soon the Brexit Referendum was announced , they said no to virtually everything May put on the table due to the nonsense the Remainers antics who also undermined her bargaining power from the start which also undermined our democracy.



Have you not followed events of all the meetings that ended in No over three years

But May wanted everything that members have while leaving, that's not intransigent from the EU, that's unrealistic expectations from the UK. The deal that Johnson has agreed is probably as good as it gets, thinking that he now has a majority will have any impact on what he can get from the EU is bordering on delusion. But time will tell, Johnson and his "get brexit done" mantra has him on a course to leave by the end of January, so we won't have long to see if he can change, for the better, the deal the UK can secure. I very much doubt it, reality will eventually hit.



The UK has an opportunity to get a good deal from the EU while it's still a member, but if there is a hard brexit then the UK is just like any other country outside the EU and will be treated the same. That's not a punishment or intransigence, that's reality and the UK needs to understand it's not special, it won't get exceptions, like the many exceptions and special treatment it did as a member of the EU.

[papasmurf]

No your little world of fantasy has hit the rocks becuase your Ego cannot understand the majority of the electorate  have a different opinion to you

My ego has nothing to do with it, the callous bastard Tory policies will carry on killing people, with no apology or policy in the manifesto to change that.

[Churchill]

Frankly the Titanic has just hit the iceberg and the lifeboats have been smashed.

No your little world of fantasy has hit the rocks becuase your Ego cannot understand the majority of the electorate  have a different opinion to you

[papasmurf]

It was never going to be plain sailing , I think most people understood that

Frankly the Titanic has just hit the iceberg and the lifeboats have been smashed.

[Sheepy]

If it were a level playing field based on market size, if the EU had 11 players on the field the UK would have 2, who do you think wins that game.

I guess I knew,you would take it hard,there will be a lot whataboutery on its way,without doubt.

[Churchill]

What will happen in a years time will be a crash out Brexit with the  disaster that will be.

I don't live on the Isles of Scilly and the very bad weather currently means boats cannot get from the outer islands with the ballot boxes to the count and it is too dangerous to use a helicopter. The result may not be known until Saturday.

It was never going to be plain sailing , I think most people understood that

[Churchill]

How have the EU being difficult. Up to now it's been the UK internal bickering, indecision and non action that's delayed everything. But I'd be curious to hear why you think the EU has been difficult

They were intransigent as soon the Brexit Referendum was announced , they said no to virtually everything May put on the table due to the nonsense the Remainers antics who also undermined her bargaining power from the start which also undermined our democracy.



Have you not followed events of all the meetings that ended in No over three years

[GerryT]

I hear they are offering up a level playing field,that will be a first.

If it were a level playing field based on market size, if the EU had 11 players on the field the UK would have 2, who do you think wins that game.