How many NHS wards mothballed...?

[Streetwalker]

Does anyone here know anything about surgery?

Yes , the next morning (when the surgical pain killers have worn off you may as well be popping smarties as Naproxen ,Ibuprofen or Co-codamol .) ..        It hurts .

[Major Sinic]

And they will.



What you said:



was a complete misrepresentation of what I said. You can flower it up with verbose posts, but everyone on this forum knows you like a good strawman.

I've wasted far too many hours on forums to recognise the false debating style straight away.  :kikass:

 :hattip

[Streetwalker]

All the best and a speedy recovery

 :hattip

[Baron von Lotsov]

Does anyone here know anything about surgery?



This is what I know. These days if you have an operation they try and do keyhole surgery as much as they can. This means there is only a tiny incision and so there is much less wounded flesh, and if you think about it, it is al round safer and less likely to lead to complications with recovery, like infections.



Moving on from this is robotic surgery. You can do even more here because that's like a natural progression in technology where the surgeon can do the work remotely. It means extremely fine control over what needs to be done.



Beds are for recovery, so the less damage an operation inflicts, the quicker one will recover and the less chance of a relapse.



There's also the fantastic "IT" stuff where one might be able to communicate with a consultant over an internet link. Getting value for money out of the NHS means exploiting all of these efficiency improvements. Only backward dullards would continue to use the bed count as a reliable metric.



Bloody politicians. Half of them seem to be living in the wrong century.

[Churchill]

Well Ive just got back from the Hospital after an operation on my foot this morning .

I was greeted at the door at 07.10 by cheerful lady who requested I take a seat while she called for a nurse who promptly came and showed me to me to my room .

After taking some pre op notes she left me to change into the surgical gown and watch a bit of news on the telly

It wasn't long before the surgeon arrived for a chat and after marking up the foot with a few arrows told me he would get me down to theatre asap . By 11.30 I was waking up and within no time at all having undergone a few checks was back in my room  eating a lunch of smoked haddock new potatoes and asparagus followed buy NY cheesecake

A quick forty winks a cup of tea and I was in the sons motor on my way home .  



The foots up ,the plaster cast feels heavy but hey ho its something that needed to be done . The hospital has just phoned to make sure everythings OK and to remind me of post op care .  



Maybe Im lucky to have such a brilliant local hospital that serves both private and NHS patients . Ive used it as both and the service is the same regardless of status .

All the best and a speedy recovery

[Borchester]

Well Ive just got back from the Hospital after an operation on my foot this morning .

I was greeted at the door at 07.10 by cheerful lady who requested I take a seat while she called for a nurse who promptly came and showed me to me to my room .

After taking some pre op notes she left me to change into the surgical gown and watch a bit of news on the telly

It wasn't long before the surgeon arrived for a chat and after marking up the foot with a few arrows told me he would get me down to theatre asap . By 11.30 I was waking up and within no time at all having undergone a few checks was back in my room  eating a lunch of smoked haddock new potatoes and asparagus followed buy NY cheesecake

A quick forty winks a cup of tea and I was in the sons motor on my way home .  



The foots up ,the plaster cast feels heavy but hey ho its something that needed to be done . The hospital has just phoned to make sure everythings OK and to remind me of post op care .  



Maybe Im lucky to have such a brilliant local hospital that serves both private and NHS patients . Ive used it as both and the service is the same regardless of status .

Glad that you are ok.



In my experience the NHS can be pedantic pains in the arse on minor matters but when it comes to anything serious they can be relied upon to get stuck in and be both efficient and compassionate.



Years ago I worked as a porter at Guys Hospital and we lost a corpse whereupon the head porter said, "look I know that the bloke is dead so it doesn't matter, but if anyone asks act as though you give a sh!t. Folk expect that sort of thing"

[Streetwalker]

Well Ive just got back from the Hospital after an operation on my foot this morning .

I was greeted at the door at 07.10 by cheerful lady who requested I take a seat while she called for a nurse who promptly came and showed me to me to my room .

After taking some pre op notes she left me to change into the surgical gown and watch a bit of news on the telly

It wasn't long before the surgeon arrived for a chat and after marking up the foot with a few arrows told me he would get me down to theatre asap . By 11.30 I was waking up and within no time at all having undergone a few checks was back in my room  eating a lunch of smoked haddock new potatoes and asparagus followed buy NY cheesecake

A quick forty winks a cup of tea and I was in the sons motor on my way home .  



The foots up ,the plaster cast feels heavy but hey ho its something that needed to be done . The hospital has just phoned to make sure everythings OK and to remind me of post op care .  



Maybe Im lucky to have such a brilliant local hospital that serves both private and NHS patients . Ive used it as both and the service is the same regardless of status .

[Barry]

If my child is ill and needs a hospital bed, I expect them to get one within a reasonable time.  

And they will.



What you said:

you are basically saying that it's fine for some people to die because the hospital happened to be full that day when they arrived.

was a complete misrepresentation of what I said. You can flower it up with verbose posts, but everyone on this forum knows you like a good strawman.

I've wasted far too many hours on forums to recognise the false debating style straight away.  :kikass:

[Javert]

You are doing it again, Javert. Telling me what I am saying, when I'm not. You can be an irritant at times.

But you posted



"Your idea there should be a bed for everyone who needs one is naive and simplistic. The NHS works on a forecast of risk system. If an A&E becomes overrun, or has to close for some reason, people have to be shipped to another centre, which may not then be able to cope."



I am arguing that if this is impossible, how come it was happening 20 years ago?  You are saying that there can't be a bed for everybody who needs (emphasis mine) one.  



If you said there can't be a bed for everyone who wants one, I would agree.  However you said "needs".  



If my child is ill and needs a hospital bed, I expect them to get one within a reasonable time.  This is not an unreasonable position in the so called 5th richest country in the world.  Other developed countries achieve this, and it was done in this country in the past.  Granted they might have to spend more money to do so, but this is a choice, not an impossibility.



We are not talking about people having to wait longer for their hamburger - we are talking about people dying.  



The implication of your statements is that sometimes, people who need a hospital bed won't get one.  I presented research that claimed that people are dying because they can't get a hospital bed.  Granted, it's a very low percentage of the total number of patients, but are you seriously saying that hospital capacity has kept up with need in this country over the last 20 years?

[Churchill]

Your post about your ancestor in America the fraudster , who then went on to found a Bank that Tax Evaders use , I found it riveting convenient but riveting :roll:

[papasmurf]

::  ::  wait till you read his DNA result post

That apparently will take ten weeks.

[papasmurf]

I do love your banter smurf! It is so witty and clever!

I don't do banter with strange people.

[Major Sinic]

I am not Cornish.

I do love your banter smurf! It is so witty and clever!

[papasmurf]

:hattip Its the Cornwall Chapter of Motorcycle Smurfs which frighten me! They even pull the wings off butterflies providing of course they are blue ones!

 :hattip Absolutely agree with you.The fellow exists in lala land.

I am not Cornish.

[Churchill]

::  ::  wait till you read his DNA result post