And it's spit your dummy out time

[GerryT]

We will see about that,give it a year,then you will know.

A yr ?  the way things are planned the UK leaves in 6 weeks 1 day.

[Sheepy]

The message was garbage Sheepy, it's in the bin.

We will see about that,give it a year,then you will know.

[GerryT]

I guess you still didn't get the message then Gerry.

The message was garbage Sheepy, it's in the bin.

[Sheepy]

No nick, read the article, 11b doesn't include all the minies the EU pays to the UK in 2018. 8.6b is their best estimate. 7.8b is prob more accurate. But never 11b. Read your linked article.



What about those agencies, their going to cost, how many billion will it be...can you list say 10 that you need to replicate and what their cost will be. That then comes off the 8.6b.

How much will the additional customs cost.



There's costs to be incurred, there won't be 8.6b back in the UK coffers, best to understand what it is.

I guess you still didn't get the message then Gerry.

[GerryT]

The average doesn't indicate what we will now save. The payments were never going to come down so 11 billion is what we are going to save.

No nick, read the article, 11b doesn't include all the minies the EU pays to the UK in 2018. 8.6b is their best estimate. 7.8b is prob more accurate. But never 11b. Read your linked article.



What about those agencies, their going to cost, how many billion will it be...can you list say 10 that you need to replicate and what their cost will be. That then comes off the 8.6b.

How much will the additional customs cost.



There's costs to be incurred, there won't be 8.6b back in the UK coffers, best to understand what it is.

[Barry]

If you go back the question was how much will it cost the UK to replicate the many agencies the UK uses that the UK needs to replicate post brexit & the withdrawal period. I'm sure your leader has it all worked out, pretty basic stuff really.

We don't care. We are all in a really good mood over here in England because Boris is getting Brexit done and on 1st February will be getting the trade deals done before the end of the year

It's what he was elected to do. We won't be having any more referendums in a hurry, we'll leave it to the executive to sort all these matters out for the future.

[Nick]

Don't stop half way down your linked article, read it all. It says the 11b accounts for monies paid only directly to the UK govt and not monies the EU pays to private industry. It believes the Net figure when this is included in 2018 is 8.6b, but if you look at the 5yr average 2014 to 2018 the number is 7.8b. So I was wrong, out by 0.3b, but its def not 11b.



If you go back the question was how much will it cost the UK to replicate the many agencies the UK uses that the UK needs to replicate post brexit & the withdrawal period. I'm sure your leader has it all worked out, pretty basic stuff really.

The average doesn't indicate what we will now save. The payments were never going to come down so 11 billion is what we are going to save.

[GerryT]

Gross of 20 billion and net of 11.xx billion. The ONS have rounded it down to 11 billion. Still a far cry from the 7.5 you quoted.



https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31">https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governme ... 2017-10-31">https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31

Don't stop half way down your linked article, read it all. It says the 11b accounts for monies paid only directly to the UK govt and not monies the EU pays to private industry. It believes the Net figure when this is included in 2018 is 8.6b, but if you look at the 5yr average 2014 to 2018 the number is 7.8b. So I was wrong, out by 0.3b, but its def not 11b.



If you go back the question was how much will it cost the UK to replicate the many agencies the UK uses that the UK needs to replicate post brexit & the withdrawal period. I'm sure your leader has it all worked out, pretty basic stuff really.

[Nick]

I'll bite, show your source for that info

Gross of 20 billion and net of 11.xx billion. The ONS have rounded it down to 11 billion. Still a far cry from the 7.5 you quoted.



https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31">https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governme ... 2017-10-31">https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31

[GerryT]

A minute or two on google will provided you with the correct figures, so much better than guessing and making yourself look silly by getting it wrong. Fullfact seems to confirm figures widely quoted elsewhere.



In 2018 the UK made an estimated gross contribution (after the rebate) of £13.2 billion. The UK received £4.3 billion of public sector receipts from the EU, so the UK's net public sector contribution to the EU was an estimated £8.9 billion.



https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/">https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-memb ... 5-million/">https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

Maybe you should read your own link. just a little bit down it says

The Treasury figures note payments the EU makes directly to the private sector, such as research grants. In 2016, these were worth an estimated £2.3 billion, so including them could reduce our net contribution further still.



My understanding in 2018 the research grants were about 1.5b, thus reducing the 8.9b to 7.5b. So your wrong, again. POint being its in the region of 7.5b and not 12b.  WHy would anyone leave out payments the EU makes that will disappear post brexit.

[GerryT]

I suggest you keep up with the times Gerry, it was 12 Billion at the last count.

I'll bite, show your source for that info

[Major Sinic]

Well as the UK keeps delaying things the 39b is now about 33b as the UK has paid 6b. But either way the UK will pay this as it's money owed for services rendered.

The UK pays net about 7.5b not 12b, and you have to factor how much replicating all the EU agencies the UK uses, the additional customs costs and etc.... How much will that be.

A minute or two on google will provided you with the correct figures, so much better than guessing and making yourself look silly by getting it wrong. Fullfact seems to confirm figures widely quoted elsewhere.



In 2018 the UK made an estimated gross contribution (after the rebate) of £13.2 billion. The UK received £4.3 billion of public sector receipts from the EU, so the UK's net public sector contribution to the EU was an estimated £8.9 billion.



https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/">https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-memb ... 5-million/">https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

[Nick]

Well as the UK keeps delaying things the 39b is now about 33b as the UK has paid 6b. But either way the UK will pay this as it's money owed for services rendered.

The UK pays net about 7.5b not 12b, and you have to factor how much replicating all the EU agencies the UK uses, the additional customs costs and etc.... How much will that be.

I suggest you keep up with the times Gerry, it was 12 Billion at the last count.

[GerryT]

You mean the party that has accumulated a bit of a buffer, circa 39 billion,  and will now have an extra 12 billion a year to play with.



The joke is Labour and it's spending plans. They forgot 58 billion for Waspi, of which £30K would be going to Teresa May 😂.

Well as the UK keeps delaying things the 39b is now about 33b as the UK has paid 6b. But either way the UK will pay this as it's money owed for services rendered.

The UK pays net about 7.5b not 12b, and you have to factor how much replicating all the EU agencies the UK uses, the additional customs costs and etc.... How much will that be.

[Nick]

Listening to what is being said by those who have 'lent' Mr Johnson their vote their expectations are quite high, sometimes ludicrously so.

You mean the party that has accumulated a bit of a buffer, circa 39 billion,  and will now have an extra 12 billion a year to play with.



The joke is Labour and it's spending plans. They forgot 58 billion for Waspi, of which £30K would be going to Teresa May 😂.