Cost of energy and the cost of living crisis.

[B0ycey]

so tell me boycey just which political party is going to get elected at westmisnter in the near future to nationalise oil and gas ?

As for windfall taxes , its nothing original and its nothing new , and as ever , its an old thatcherite policy new labour want to revive and re emulate...

Energy bills: Windfall taxes have been tried before - but could such a move backfire?

A Tory chancellor first saw the attraction of raiding North Sea profits more than 40 years ago but more recent experiences show the dangers and difficulties that might be associated with such a policy.
https://news.sky.com/story/energy-bills-windfall-taxes-have-been-tried-before-but-could-such-a-move-backfire-12513132

The whole point of a windfall tax is to get a large amount of revenue without the need for taxation. Do you think the idea of taxing energy companies who have just recorded record profits isn't popular to the public? It certainly would have more support than Sunaks loan. But he has his reasons for not taking that route and that is because at this moment in time he wants to increase investment in North Sea gas. Green pledges have slowed investment down. Only now have the Tories understood the importance of extracting their own transitional gas before being net zero. Figures might look good if you buy from someone else. But it isn't without cost clearly.

As for Nationalisation, there is a book about revolution which telling you the importance of numbers. Not that I support violence of course. But I have noticed the more the cost of living goes up, the more people understand the logic of cooperation and the mistakes the Tories did by selling off the golden goose. And it isn't just gas after all that shouldn't have been privatised. So it will be people who will decide when to return to nationalise, not parties when the time is right.

[Thomas]

How about refer to my post which is clearly about fracking.

ok lets look at it again.

Quote from: B0ycey on February 04, 2022, 11:55:44 AM

They had to stop fracking. It was causing earthquakes. It wouldn't matter so much if we had vast open spaces. But if it means cities and towns falling into itself, it isn't really worth the fuel. Besides, there is more than enough gas in the North Sea to keep us warm if the idea is to be net zero in a decades time.

yep you definetly mentioned north sea gas in that reply.

[Thomas]

That applies to you, you don't have enough to blow the wax out of your ears.  (I must live in a village full of geniuses, my tested under laboratory conditions IQ is 142.)

says the man who tells us he voted tory at the last election .

Honestly pappy , tell boycey you are pulling his leg  , you old tory you.

[Thomas]

. Why else do you think Sunak doesn't want to head towards a windfall tax on the profits of energy companies when clearly that makes the most sense right now? He wants to increase investment in the sector and to hell with energy price increases for those who are struggling. That wouldn't be the case if we operated the drilling as a national enterprise.

Labour are against both nationalising the big energy comapnies and nationalising oil and gas companies.

Starmer on rising energy bills: "I'm not in favour of nationalisation"

"There's different ways of doing business, but the top-down version of nationalisation I don't think really works and I'm not in favour of that.
https://labourlist.org/2022/01/starmer-on-rising-energy-bills-im-not-in-favour-of-nationalisation/


so tell me boycey just which political party is going to get elected at westmisnter in the near future to nationalise oil and gas ?

As for windfall taxes , its nothing original and its nothing new , and as ever , its an old thatcherite policy new labour want to revive and re emulate...

Energy bills: Windfall taxes have been tried before - but could such a move backfire?

A Tory chancellor first saw the attraction of raiding North Sea profits more than 40 years ago but more recent experiences show the dangers and difficulties that might be associated with such a policy.
https://news.sky.com/story/energy-bills-windfall-taxes-have-been-tried-before-but-could-such-a-move-backfire-12513132

[B0ycey]

once again please refer to both my and barrys posts on the matter.

Quote from: Thomas on Today at 10:15:30 AM

Quote from: Barry on Today at 11:42:36 AM

How about refer to my post which is clearly about fracking. Your opinion of bias doesn't matter to me. It is clear Sheepy is a lackie and you want to support his cause. But anyone who can read can see Sheepy fucked up and I don't need to consider the opinions of two users when I can read the post I wrote.

[Thomas]

Stop digging? You mean not tell someone they quoted a post about fracking. It isn't my fault Sheepy can't read past his nose

once again please refer to both my and barrys posts on the matter.

Quote from: Thomas on Today at 10:15:30 AM

You are either being deliberately obtuse , or you arent the full ticket.

Here we are yet again on yet another thread with you having to do a thread synopsis and he said she said simply because of your unwillingness to debate honestly.

On the 14th post of the first page of this thread , hallowed brexit mentioned fracking. You and pappysmurf appear to be the only two people on this entire forum who dont realise hallowed brexit is a wind up merchant constantly taking the piss.

on the 4th post of the second page , sheepy replied to an earlier comment you had made..

Quote from: B0ycey on February 04, 2022, 11:55:44 AM
To which sheepy replied...


Quote from: Sheepy on February 04, 2022, 11:59:52 AM
Now to me  , sheepy was clearly referring to north sea gas , and asking about how much has been exported. He wasnt referring to shale gas , as everone knows fracking is banned and the uk doesnt produce any shale gas to fackin export.

To emphasise the point he was making , in his next reply to you on that  second page of this thread , sheepy even linked to a daily mail article talking about uk gas exports dubling in a year..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10455627/UK-gas-exports-double-year-millions-British-families-face-soaring-bills.html

While you carried on waffling on about fracking , a point no one had made in any serious way .

You do this consistenly on numerous threads , attack points no can't is making. I really wish you would stop it , and practice what you preach and read the replies , not what you think people are saying in their replies.

Quote from: Barry on Today at 11:42:36 AM

The debate within the thread over whether it was about exporting fracking gas or North Sea gas was amusing, if peurile.
I enjoyed spectating.
If you read the post which Sheepy wrote:
https://pol-tics.com/united-kingdom-politics/2/cost-of-energy-and-the-cost-of-living-crisis/4933/msg87720#msg87720
He is replying to a post talking about both fracking and North Sea Gas.
Anyone with an iota, jot or tittle of common sense might know we have not commercially produced any fracking gas, so the export question was about North Sea Gas.
Thomas expanded on that, but it seems Boysie is like a terrier with a plastic bone, never wanting to let it go, but knowing he can't eat it.
Hilarious stuff.

[Sheepy]

Laboratory supervised IQ tests cannot be fooled. Unlike it appears you.

Funny, did it get put on the database or did you get a certificate? Of course, you do know people with higher IQ's have a way of knowing who else has one don't you? Like my friends from Harvard for example who did me a favour all for the greater good of course. 

[papasmurf]

LOL no they would believe just about anything. Which is what people like you rely on.

Laboratory supervised IQ tests cannot be fooled. Unlike it appears you.

[Sheepy]

That applies to you, you don't have enough to blow the wax out of your ears.  (I must live in a village full of geniuses, my tested under laboratory conditions IQ is 142.)

LOL no they would believe just about anything. Which is what people like you rely on. 

[papasmurf]

You know what they say about brains and dynamite they certainly won't be blowing their hats off,

That applies to you, you don't have enough to blow the wax out of your ears.  (I must live in a village full of geniuses, my tested under laboratory conditions IQ is 142.) 

[Sheepy]

Tory bad is so 1970s politics its unbelievable.

What else do they have? sad state of politics and the uniformed in general. You know what they say about brains and dynamite they certainly won't be blowing their hats off, now the village idiot is rambling about electric shock therapy. 

[papasmurf]

Smurfy gets a lot of flack on here. But he is the only guy who is telling people who the Tories are. If people had any sense, they would listen to what he has to say.

I am afraid there is a plague of cognitive dissonance on this forum.
I suspect the only cure for it is Electro Corrective Therapy. 

[Sheepy]

I always think when in a hole its best to stop digging.

I welcome opposing views , and i have told you that repeatedly. I dont welcome your dishonest style of debating , as this thread shows.

By debating dishonestly , not only do you make yourself look foolish as barry has said ,but you undermine any political message you wish to sell.

Its not difficult.
i dont support the uk , so why on earth would i want the uk government to nationalise or privatise  oil and gas , 92 % and 63 % which is in scottish waters ?

Repeat after me once again boycey , thomas is not a socialist.

Keep repeating it till it sinks in and you get the gist of what im saying to you .

I think even at one point we had them agreeing that building storage facilities for Gas was actually a good idea, then they scuppered it.  

[B0ycey]

Its not difficult.
i dont support the uk , so why on earth would i want the uk government to nationalise or privatise  oil and gas , 92 % and 63 % which is in scottish waters ?

Repeat after me once again boycey , thomas is not a socialist.

Keep repeating it till it sinks in and you get the gist of what im saying to you .

Stop digging? You mean not tell someone they quoted a post about fracking. It isn't my fault Sheepy can't read past his nose. And your debating style is very unique Thomas. It is one big strawman all the time and trying to swing the debate to an issue you want to talk about but that the person in question didn't mention. Havent you realised that Scottish independence makes it as a theme in every single post and yet isn't the topic in most of them. As I said, my aim is just to inform, nothing else.

As for the quote, it doesn't matter who or what will own the waters in an independent Scotland. The problem still remains. The land is leased out and even under a Scottish government they will honour those contracts because under capitalism the principles of the free market remains and Scotland as an independent nation will want to entice outside investment. Why else do you think Sunak doesn't want to head towards a windfall tax on the profits of energy companies when clearly that makes the most sense right now? He wants to increase investment in the sector and to hell with energy price increases for those who are struggling. That wouldn't be the case if we operated the drilling as a national enterprise. The government wouldn't need to have a profit and as such would have the capital to invest had they put in the initial cost in first. And without profits the price of the commodities would be cheaper in any case. Everything went downhill when Thatcher sold off the golden goose. So why should anyone support what the Tories say when historically they has caused the mess we are seeing today.?Smurfy gets a lot of flack on here. But he is the only guy who is telling people who the Tories are. If people had any sense, they would listen to what he has to say.

[Thomas]

It is rather amusing I admit, but it is always the same caught with lack of knowledge, scream Tory. Good Old did to Thomas, Boycey did it for me and Smurphy never says anything different. A bit of a pattern.

i know , but these idealistic reality denying lefties like boycey and others are so out of touch with everyone that they think doing the same thing over and over again and again will produce a different result next time.

They just cant understand why they never get elected into power , and why everyone laughs at them.

Tory bad is so 1970s politics its unbelievable.