Brand

[Nick]

Turned himself in is clear enough. The CPS decided not to prosecute.

Did you actually read your own link? It said he went to the police station and asked if they wanted to speak to him, they said no. How can you turn your self in if you are not wanted? You're just being dramatic. 

[papasmurf]

It doesn't say he admitted it, it infers he did but according to that he never admitted it.

Turned himself in is clear enough. The CPS decided not to prosecute.

[Nick]

Plenty of press reports about it:-

Bill Wyman turned himself in to police over underage sex reports | Celebrity News | Showbiz & TV | Express.co.uk


Former ROLLING STONES rocker BILL WYMAN turned himself in to police after reports emerged suggesting he began a sexual relationship with his second wife when she was 14 years old.

15:53, Sun, Mar 31, 2013

It doesn't say he admitted it, it infers he did but according to that he never admitted it. 

[papasmurf]

Well thanks for pointing that out.  I didn't know, and for some reason google doesn't come up with anything saying that.  So a confession from the victim AND the groomer, and apparently that's not enough for the law or media attack dogs.  🤔

Plenty of press reports about it:-

Bill Wyman turned himself in to police over underage sex reports | Celebrity News | Showbiz & TV | Express.co.uk


Former ROLLING STONES rocker BILL WYMAN turned himself in to police after reports emerged suggesting he began a sexual relationship with his second wife when she was 14 years old.

15:53, Sun, Mar 31, 2013

[Nick]

There was an investigation ,at the time Smith would have had to press charges , she didn't so that was the end of it .It was well covered in the media .
Today Wyman would be in prison but its not today it was 40 years ago .

And he ended up marrying her, not that is a benchmark. Is there any documentation that she admitted what the type of relationship was, as Smurf says?

[Streetwalker]

Well thanks for pointing that out.  I didn't know, and for some reason google doesn't come up with anything saying that.  So a confession from the victim AND the groomer, and apparently that's not enough for the law or media attack dogs.  🤔

There was an investigation ,at the time Smith would have had to press charges , she didn't so that was the end of it .It was well covered in the media .
Today Wyman would be in prison but its not today it was 40 years ago .

[Scott777]

Wyman turned himself in and confessed.

Well thanks for pointing that out.  I didn't know, and for some reason google doesn't come up with anything saying that.  So a confession from the victim AND the groomer, and apparently that's not enough for the law or media attack dogs.  🤔

[papasmurf]

No, I'm saying both crimes should be investigated, the media should shut up unless they have real evidence, and politicians should do the same.  But we have Wyman getting a free pass, and Brand getting shut down, which is a double standard.  And the only reason for that is that it's not really about protecting children, it's a political attack.

Wyman turned himself in and confessed. 

[Scott777]

Are you saying the crimes of someone shouldn't be prosecuted because the crimes of another haven't been ?  But lets leave 5 year olds out of it ,a completely different conversation . With Brand we are talking about adults and with the others mentioned  teenagers who are protected by law  for older people who should know better .

No, I'm saying both crimes should be investigated, the media should shut up unless they have real evidence, and politicians should do the same.  But we have Wyman getting a free pass, and Brand getting shut down, which is a double standard.  And the only reason for that is that it's not really about protecting children, it's a political attack.

[patman post]

I am puzzled by this from the attorney general. Not usually issued until after an arrest:-

Media Advisory Notice: Russell Brand - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Published22 September 2023
Press release
Media Advisory Notice: Russell Brand

The Attorney General confirms the requirement not to publish material which could prejudice any potential criminal investigation or prosecutions.
Following the airing of "Russell Brand: In Plain Sight: Dispatches" on 16 September 2023, there has been extensive reporting about Russell Brand.
The Attorney General, the Rt Hon Victoria Prentis KC MP, wishes to amplify the importance of not publishing any material where there is a risk that it could prejudice any potential criminal investigation or prosecutions.
Publishing this material could amount to contempt of court.
Editors, publishers, and social media users should take legal advice to ensure they are in a position to fully comply with the obligations to which they are subject under the common law and Contempt of Court Act 1981.
The Attorney General's Office is monitoring the coverage of these allegations.

As Times journalist Sean O'Neill wrote in response in a column on Monday:

"The Attorney General is either poorly informed about the law of contempt or has taken it upon herself to issue a thinly veiled threat intended to have a chilling effect on reporting of the Brand allegations."

Under the Contempt of Court Act 1981, it is contempt to publish material that creates a substantial risk of serious prejudice or an impediment to active legal proceedings — and so far there don't appear to be any.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1981/49

I suggest issuing something with Media Advisory Notice in its title could be thought to be trying to imply it is issued under the DSMA system which, anyway, has no legal standing. Regular journalists will be aware of this...

[Streetwalker]

Looking at these 2 points, I don't think a complaint is necessary where a child has been groomed into sex.  A child cannot consent to sex.  It's definitely illegal.

Why did they have zero chance of prosecution?  There is more evidence so far, than there is for the Brand case.  In both cases, a victim has claimed an illegal act happened.  The difference is, Brand denied this, but Wyman admitted to an intimate relationship.  Which one do you think is more likely involved underage sex?  And which one have the media and politicians passed judgement?

Im not defending Wyman far from it and maybe he should have had his collar felt as should have Elvis , Jerry lee Lewis ,Robert Page and Dylan to name a few but ........

De minimis non curat lex

Mandy Smith did not complain, Brand's girls did.

Celebs like R Kelly who did have complaints against them investigated have been prosecuted along with .....

Celebrities Accused of Sexual Assault: Russell Brand – SheKnows

So it would seem when complaints are made the law does act ,without a complaint it doesnt .

 The media are also probably on dodgy ground legally when reporting such stories that have no foundation . They cant just start 'spreading rumour' however much evidence they have until a complaint is made ,then as we have seen its open season .

Is child grooming really minimal?  Why less important than persuading a 5-year old to perform a sex act?  If the child does not complain, does that make it minimal?

Are you saying the crimes of someone shouldn't be prosecuted because the crimes of another haven't been ?  But lets leave 5 year olds out of it ,a completely different conversation . With Brand we are talking about adults and with the others mentioned  teenagers who are protected by law  for older people who should know better .

[Scott777]

De minimis non curat lex

Mandy Smith did not complain, Brand's girls did.

Is child grooming really minimal?  Why less important than persuading a 5-year old to perform a sex act?  If the child does not complain, does that make it minimal?

[papasmurf]

I am puzzled by this from the attorney general. Not usually issued until after an arrest:-

Media Advisory Notice: Russell Brand - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Published22 September 2023
Press release
Media Advisory Notice: Russell Brand

The Attorney General confirms the requirement not to publish material which could prejudice any potential criminal investigation or prosecutions.
Following the airing of "Russell Brand: In Plain Sight: Dispatches" on 16 September 2023, there has been extensive reporting about Russell Brand.
The Attorney General, the Rt Hon Victoria Prentis KC MP, wishes to amplify the importance of not publishing any material where there is a risk that it could prejudice any potential criminal investigation or prosecutions.
Publishing this material could amount to contempt of court.
Editors, publishers, and social media users should take legal advice to ensure they are in a position to fully comply with the obligations to which they are subject under the common law and Contempt of Court Act 1981.
The Attorney General's Office is monitoring the coverage of these allegations.

[johnofgwent]

Kevin Spacey was accused of all sorts, was proven to be innocent of all charges!

Well one is never 'proven' innocent is one. One is merely 'not found on the balance of probability to have done it'. The nearest to being PROVEN innocent is when the judge rules 'no case to answer' or the prosecution withdraws the allegation. Even then one wonders if witnesses have been nobbled

[Borchester]

Looking at these 2 points, I don't think a complaint is necessary where a child has been groomed into sex.  A child cannot consent to sex.  It's definitely illegal.

Why did they have zero chance of prosecution?  There is more evidence so far, than there is for the Brand case.  In both cases, a victim has claimed an illegal act happened.  The difference is, Brand denied this, but Wyman admitted to an intimate relationship.  Which one do you think is more likely involved underage sex?  And which one have the media and politicians passed judgement?

De minimis non curat lex 

Mandy Smith did not complain, Brand's girls did.