Brexit to still go ahead despite coronavirus.

[Thomas]

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You should go on twitter and the like , and the level of ridicule being aimed at the uk government just now is that high nigerian scammers are offering testing kits by the hundreds of thousands to the uk government  , and all they need is the uk governments bank details.... ::



Image what its going to be like doing a free trade deal with kenya for coffee beans :roll:  ::



"watch out boys , the british trade negotiators are coming! try not to fall over laughing"!



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[Thomas]

Thing is borkie and streetwalker , it doesnt matter if you want to go along with the tory propaganda of already having left.



Thats up to you.



It s how the rest of the world perceives you that matters , and they all know you havent left , you are still a rule taker bill payer.



...and they are laughing at you.

[Thomas]

True.

The first thing to do when things get tough is to start cutting costs, so the sooner we leave the EU the better.

 ::  :roll: What?



Borkie have you just woke up?



you might want to re read that back borkie.

But we left on the 31st January .

True.

 so the sooner we leave the EU the better.

You are contradicting yourself auld yin.



If what streetwalker says is true about already having left , how can you say the sooner we leave the eu the better.?



have you left or not auld yin?



This tory propaganda twists and turns so feckin much even the poarty faithfull cant keep up ::

[Borchester]

But we left on the 31st January . Prolonging the terms and conditions just exposes the UK to the possibility of more payments to the EU .

True.

The first thing to do when things get tough is to start cutting costs, so the sooner we leave the EU the better.

[Thomas]

Hmmm - now I'm going to be the one challenging experts, but that sounds awfully low to me.  Large parts of the world's richest economies will be pretty much at a standstill for 3 months, which is 25% of the year.



I'm dubious about claims that this will only cause a 3% drop in the annual economy.  



Are they claiming that after the lockdown is released, everyone will go out spending money like it's going out of fashion?  That's a fairly big assumption if so.

I dont disagree javert , but nick is merely engaged in raking over the coals and getting invloved in some macabre league table of who has the worst predicted economy.



The point is we all know except the utter headcases in denial we are headed for big economic trouble. The  predicted percentage points dont really matter in the grand scheme of things.

[Thomas]

But we left on the 31st January . Prolonging the terms and conditions just exposes the UK to the possibility of more payments to the EU .

No you didnt. You withdrew meps and lowered the eu flag , but you are still obliged to follow eu rules , accept eu law , and pay eu bills.



All the things you said to me why you wanted out. Are these no longer relevant after arguing against them for four years?



Edit to add# and your main thrust of leaving the eu since i have known you online , accept freedom of movement .

[Streetwalker]

Not the uk on its own streetwalker , when the head of the IMF has pleaded with the tories not to leave the eu while all this covid 19 is going on .

But we left on the 31st January . Prolonging the terms and conditions just exposes the UK to the possibility of more payments to the EU .

[Javert]

The imf are forcasting the whole global economy to shrink by an estimated 3% this year , the worst apparently since the great depression of the thirties , and many trading blocs around the world have similar forecasts to the eu.



Some of the nafta economies are estimated to shrink by 7 %.

Hmmm - now I'm going to be the one challenging experts, but that sounds awfully low to me.  Large parts of the world's richest economies will be pretty much at a standstill for 3 months, which is 25% of the year.



I'm dubious about claims that this will only cause a 3% drop in the annual economy.  



Are they claiming that after the lockdown is released, everyone will go out spending money like it's going out of fashion?  That's a fairly big assumption if so.

[Thomas]

Is coronavirus Boris Johnson's get out of jail card on Brexit?

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Economic activity worldwide has slowed almost to a stop. Claims that non-EU countries were queuing up to sign advantageous trade deals with Britain now ring hollow, as governments everywhere have imposed draconian controls on the movement of people and goods. So is coronavirus Boris Johnson's get out of jail card on Brexit, asks Denis MacShane?



Amid this economic misery, one plank of the new government's vision for the future remained unchanged. As Michael Barnier, and then the UK's Brexit negotiator, David Frost, fell ill with Covid-19, followed in due course by the Prime Minister, ministers in the Commons and No 10 briefings insisted there could be no reconsideration of forging ahead with Brexit along very hard lines. Ben Habib, a property developer, who stood for Nigel Farage's Brexit Party in the 2019 European Parliament election wrote an article for the Daily Telegraph four days before the UK lockdown. He argued that "Far from requiring delay, coronavirus strengthens our hand in post-Brexit talks."



But that was countered an article in the Sunday Times read by most business leaders and every Tory MP. It was written by Nick du Bois, a Tory MP 2010-2015, a keen supporter of Brexit and popular in the Conservative Party. He served as Dominic Raab's chief of staff at the Department of Exiting the European Union. He is as loyal an anti-European Tory as can be found but writing in the Sunday Times on 5 April, du Bois argued: "It would be incomprehensible to many members of the public if Johnson's government devoted time and energy on these talks until the pandemic was under control."

[/b]



https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2020/04/10/is-coronavirus-boris-johnsons-get-out-of-jail-card-on-brexit/">https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2020/04/ ... on-brexit/">https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2020/04/10/is-coronavirus-boris-johnsons-get-out-of-jail-card-on-brexit/

[Thomas]

Coronavirus crisis threatens to derail post-Brexit trade talks

[/b]

The U.K. will most likely fail to strike a new trade agreement with the European Union by the end of the year, analysts said, as the coronavirus crisis threatens to derail official trade talks.

[/b]



https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/what-does-coronavirus-means-for-a-post-brexit-trade-deal.html">https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/what-do ... -deal.html">https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/what-does-coronavirus-means-for-a-post-brexit-trade-deal.html

[Thomas]

Extend Brexit transition by years over coronavirus, UK told



European People's party says it hopes 'common sense will prevail over ideology'

[/b]



https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/30/extend-brexit-transition-by-years-over-coronavirus-uk-told">https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... us-uk-told">https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/30/extend-brexit-transition-by-years-over-coronavirus-uk-told



plenty of articles showing the pressure mounting to delay brexit due to the unfolding pandemic and health and economic woes.



Gerry says the uk must decide by end june , so will be interesting to see.

[Thomas]

The whole world is going to get battered the question will be which economies are best placed to lead the recovery .

Not the uk on its own streetwalker , when the head of the IMF has pleaded with the tories not to leave the eu while all this covid 19 is going on .

No 10 flatly rejected a call from the head of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to delay the end of the transition period past its current December 31 deadline to focus on the pandemic.



Bulgarian economist Kristalina Georgieva appealed to the Government in a BBC interview to focus on the disease which has shut down large chunks of the global economy, saying: 'It is tough as it is. Let's not make it any tougher.'



The IMF warned on Tuesday that the world economy is heading for its steepest downturn this year since the Great Depression of the 1930s.



Speaking last night Ms Georgieva said: 'My advice would be to seek ways in which this element of uncertainty is reduced in the interests of everybody, of the UK, of the EU, the whole world.'

[/b]



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8225155/IMF-boss-pleads-UK-DELAY-December-exit-Brexit-transition-coronavirus.html">https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... virus.html">https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8225155/IMF-boss-pleads-UK-DELAY-December-exit-Brexit-transition-coronavirus.html

[Thomas]

The imf are forcasting the whole global economy to shrink by an estimated 3% this year , the worst apparently since the great depression of the thirties , and many trading blocs around the world have similar forecasts to the eu.



Some of the nafta economies are estimated to shrink by 7 %.

[Streetwalker]

The whole world is going to get battered the question will be which economies are best placed to lead the recovery .

[Thomas]

First off, nowhere did I say the EU economy would shrink by 30%. I said around 9%, which is worse than the UK at 5.5%



It was on a news program so no I don't have a link but I found this.



https://www.economist.com/img/b/1280/1276/85/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20200404_FNC087.png">



As you can see it shows the EU predicted to be worse than us. So again, why would we want to be shackled to them?

...you arent comparing apples with apples nick are you?



You are comparing the overall estimates of 27 collective sovereign states economies shrinking with one sovereign states economy shrinking.



The better comarison would be the uk state with the german state.



The uk is predicted to be marginally worse than germany.

German economy could shrink by 5.4% this year due to coronavirus - advisors

[/b]



https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-germany-economy/german-economy-could-shrink-by-5-4-this-year-due-to-coronavirus-advisors-idUKKBN21H13V">https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-healt ... KKBN21H13V">https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-germany-economy/german-economy-could-shrink-by-5-4-this-year-due-to-coronavirus-advisors-idUKKBN21H13V





Face the facts nick. After four years , you must realise by now you wont be allowed to leave the eu , as your government wont allow it.



Im looking forward to the next excuse being floated down the river from westminster as to why you wont be leaving this year?  :roll: