Housing developments and social accommodation

[Thomas]

Over the years the biggest invasion locally has been an influx of "white flighters," from the multicultural "idylls," up country.

What like yourself papa?



The hertfordshire immigrant to cornwall now complaining about immigration? :roll:

[papasmurf]

I know and I too feel like I'm being invaded.

Over the years the biggest invasion locally has been an influx of "white flighters," from the multicultural "idylls," up country.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Well said, and very little anyone of sense could disagree with. It's immoral that any government can dictate to a developer the type of properties they wish to build. Why should any hard working family have to live next to a bunch of dole scrounging scumbags because legislation dictates it. The reality is that we haven't had a proper capitalist government since Maggie. Our political parties are all chasing the votes of snowflakes and the underclass. Most hard working and decent people want to be able to live in areas where they aren't bothered the lazy, feckless, and undesirables.

I know and I too feel like I'm being invaded. It seems to be happening everywhere except for very rich areas. They will most likely be next. I describe to my mother the kind of things people do and say, and I quote "Well I've never ever met anyone like that in my life". That was referring to one I had an arrangement to meet with, and the person failed to keep a simple agreement  four times in a row. It's a case of how do you know they are lying. Answer: they prefix it with "I'll definitely".

[papasmurf]

Well said, and very little anyone of sense could disagree with. It's immoral that any government can dictate to a developer the type of properties they wish to build. Why should any hard working family have to live next to a bunch of dole scrounging scumbags because legislation dictates it. The reality is that we haven't had a proper capitalist government since Maggie. Our political parties are all chasing the votes of snowflakes and the underclass. Most hard working and decent people want to be able to live in areas where they aren't bothered the lazy, feckless, and undesirables.

Wiggles do you actually believe that VERY offensive nastiness? Or are you trolling?

[Wiggles]

Of course, but then the Tories are socialist as well. I mean "gay marriage" is hardly a capitalist idea. They are just as much social engineers as the other two parties.



These actions transfer state support responsibilities unfairly on the private sector in an arbitrary way. Capitalists believe in fairness, like if you provide the goods and they are good then you should be paid what the customer agrees with, as per a deal is a deal. The same principle applies to housing developers. They should be free to supply whatever market they choose to trade in. The social housing rules interfere with that market,and what will happen is it will put the capitalist traders, both large and small, out of business, and then they will be forced to accept state offerings, which are more expensive because they lump in a whole load of social engineering with the rent, just as the NHS does and the state education sector.

Well said, and very little anyone of sense could disagree with. It's immoral that any government can dictate to a developer the type of properties they wish to build. Why should any hard working family have to live next to a bunch of dole scrounging scumbags because legislation dictates it. The reality is that we haven't had a proper capitalist government since Maggie. Our political parties are all chasing the votes of snowflakes and the underclass. Most hard working and decent people want to be able to live in areas where they aren't bothered the lazy, feckless, and undesirables.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Wasn't even in their manifesto!  :evil:

Stealth socialists.

[papasmurf]

Of course, but then the Tories are socialist as well.

You really have to be joking.

[Barry]

Of course, but then the Tories are socialist as well. I mean "gay marriage" is hardly a capitalist idea. They are just as much social engineers as the other two parties.

Wasn't even in their manifesto!  :evil:

[Baron von Lotsov]

The screwing has been the sole domain of the Tories since May 2010.

Of course, but then the Tories are socialist as well. I mean "gay marriage" is hardly a capitalist idea. They are just as much social engineers as the other two parties.



These actions transfer state support responsibilities unfairly on the private sector in an arbitrary way. Capitalists believe in fairness, like if you provide the goods and they are good then you should be paid what the customer agrees with, as per a deal is a deal. The same principle applies to housing developers. They should be free to supply whatever market they choose to trade in. The social housing rules interfere with that market,and what will happen is it will put the capitalist traders, both large and small, out of business, and then they will be forced to accept state offerings, which are more expensive because they lump in a whole load of social engineering with the rent, just as the NHS does and the state education sector.

[papasmurf]

It's another example of socialists screwing the ones who support them, especially those on low incomes.

The screwing has been the sole domain of the Tories since May 2010.

[Baron von Lotsov]

I concern of most private landlords in respect of Housing Benefit tenants is rather more basic.



1) Benefit payable in arrears while rent is charged in advance

2) Benefit can be clawed back long after the event if a change of circumstances is suspected and the landlord is liable

3) In order to avoid homelessness, benefit tenants need to be legally evicted, this means going through the full process of court and waiting for the bailiff to arrive to execute the warrant. All of this (often with over six months worth of unpaid rent) is paid for by the landlord and is cost that they have no chance of recovering.

This is before you take in account the condition of the property upon return, which all too often has been trashed!

Before anybody asks, yes I do get involved in such matters on a professional level.

Indeed, I was going to say something about the eviction business as well. I suppose you could expect a long wait for the process and more lost rent.



I commented on this to the UKIPers because their leader was trying to change the law so as to avoid firms buying property and selling it, but between those times choosing to leave it empty rather than utilise the space to house many people who can't find anywhere to live in London. UKIP wanted to force the hands of property owners to rent, and of course this is ridiculous because as i said, there are reasons for this, as per companies do not like to lose money. The implication is that it is cheaper to leave them empty.

[Sampanviking]

The fear of housing benefit for landlord is a change in the law.



Say you rent a place and put a benefit application in. If the landlord says ok and the contract is signed then if the housing benefit fails to pay up for some reason or otherwise the tenant can't pay, the law says the tenant has rights to remain there for a minimum of six months. Landlord's charity does not extend that far because they have to pay the mortgage.



It's another example of socialists screwing the ones who support them, especially those on low incomes.

I concern of most private landlords in respect of Housing Benefit tenants is rather more basic.



1) Benefit payable in arrears while rent is charged in advance

2) Benefit can be clawed back long after the event if a change of circumstances is suspected and the landlord is liable

3) In order to avoid homelessness, benefit tenants need to be legally evicted, this means going through the full process of court and waiting for the bailiff to arrive to execute the warrant. All of this (often with over six months worth of unpaid rent) is paid for by the landlord and is cost that they have no chance of recovering.

This is before you take in account the condition of the property upon return, which all too often has been trashed!

Before anybody asks, yes I do get involved in such matters on a professional level.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Crime maps, along with as much local info as possible, are useful for judging the attractiveness of an area. Most landlords, besides govt require checking  of prospective tenants, will also do their own checking on suitability. This will often mean no one on housing benefit passes landlords' tests...

The fear of housing benefit for landlord is a change in the law.



Say you rent a place and put a benefit application in. If the landlord says ok and the contract is signed then if the housing benefit fails to pay up for some reason or otherwise the tenant can't pay, the law says the tenant has rights to remain there for a minimum of six months. Landlord's charity does not extend that far because they have to pay the mortgage.



It's another example of socialists screwing the ones who support them, especially those on low incomes.

[patman post]

Crime maps, along with as much local info as possible, are useful for judging the attractiveness of an area. Most landlords, besides govt require checking  of prospective tenants, will also do their own checking on suitability. This will often mean no one on housing benefit passes landlords' tests...

[Wiggles]

If I went by personal experience only , I would be completely wrong across a wide range of issues. (Which is why I use data and research references.)

That's where we differ, I am never wrong about anything