What's really bad about the Durham trips story....

[B0ycey]

This thread has nothing to do with Brexit.

Yeah. That is what I thought. I never known a Scot Tory before. Seems more passionate about Brexit than even Baff. ::

[Thomas]

This thread has nothing to do with Brexit.

I will bookmark this and remind you of it the next time you turn a thread into an anti tory rant , as you oft do  off topic.

[papasmurf]

This thread has nothing to do with Brexit.

[Thomas]

I don't know how many times I need to say this, but the Remain vote split and that is what the polls said.

Yoiu can say it for the next thousand years , but it wont make it any more true.



There was no british remain vote to split , and i  have went over my reasoning time and again. You never had a chance or hope in hell of winning , as the majority wanted brexit in december just as they did in 2016. Thats what you cant accept and what is staring you in the face ,and why you are being dragged kicking and scremaing into a hard brexit by the end of this year.

You can keep up your ignorance, but it doesn't change the reality. All forecasts you show are after Corbyn decided to take the remain ticket

Sir john predicted the lib dem heights of 22 when corbyn and labour were sitting on the fence. :: Of course what does the uks most famous polling gurus know about political predictions compared to you?

Even whilst he was on the fence Lib Dems were slowly taking chunks out of out of Labour and basically won the Remain side of the European election.

The libs did indeed take some labour remain votes , but not enough toi ever in their wildest fantasy win a majority.



...and as we discussed brexiters won the european elections at a canter.

Had Corbyn turned full on leave, as the polls said remain were the largest vote share,

 :: If yer maw had baws she wid be yer dad. Except , once out of misty eyed delusion , and imagnieray polls , remain were crushed in the 2019 election. There was no remain vote to unite , as the differing factions hated each other more than the tories.



Swinson even said she would never put corbyn into power for any reason , and labour retorted swinsons record when in government with the tories and how they hated her and you tell us it was possible for their voters to unite? :roll:  :: Thats before you even mention the non english voters and parties. like me.



I would have put johnson in power before i would have supported england or britian remaining . Have no doubt about that.

Immigration hasn't been a factor since the refugee crisis and by and large those who want to leave want to do so due to bureaucracy or sovereignty reasons.

Rubbish. Immigration was the major uk public concern from 2001 onwards , and was only overtook because of brexit  , which in itself was fuelled in part because of tony blairs and labours disasterous uncontrolled immigration into england.



44% of the uk public still think it too high today.

You do not know the English opinion because you haven't been paying attention. It is split on the EU. There isn't one voice. And I am more sure than not, if we had another referendum, England would also vote remain. Good day Thomas.

i know better than you pal , and you wont be having another referendum unitl you implement the last one.

[B0ycey]

The lib dem forecast wasnt low. Sir john curtice was giving them a high prediction.



They won half the seats he predicted they would challenge in at best , and i dont know how many times i need to tell you this there is no "british remain vote" to split mate. The libs took 11 % of the vote , and had labour become a party of brexit , and the liberals took all their votes which would never ever have happened , they still wouldnt have had enough votes to form a majority.( a combined total of less seats altogether than millibands labour in 2015)



There you go.

I don't know how many times I need to say this, but the Remain vote split and that is what the polls said. You can keep up your ignorance, but it doesn't change the reality. All forecasts you show are after Corbyn decided to take the remain ticket. Even whilst he was on the fence Lib Dems were slowly taking chunks out of out of Labour and basically won the Remain side of the European election. Had Corbyn turned full on leave, as the polls said remain were the largest vote share, the Lib Dems would have won for sure. But this is merely the past now. Immigration hasn't been a factor since the refugee crisis and by and large those who want to leave want to do so due to bureaucracy or sovereignty reasons. How do I know? Because I read what people write. And where are these posts on immigration if they are such a big factor in leave?



You do not know the English opinion because you haven't been paying attention. It is split on the EU. There isn't one voice. And I am more sure than not, if we had another referendum, England would also vote remain. Good day Thomas.

[Thomas]

The Remain vote split Thomas hence why the Lib Dems forecast was low. Although they would have been contestants in many marginal seats until Corbyn dropped the austerity bombshell.

The lib dem forecast wasnt low. Sir john curtice was giving them a high prediction.



They won half the seats he predicted they would challenge in at best , and i dont know how many times i need to tell you this there is no "british remain vote" to split mate. The libs took 11 % of the vote , and had labour become a party of brexit , and the liberals took all their votes which would never ever have happened , they still wouldnt have had enough votes to form a majority.( a combined total of less seats altogether than millibands labour in 2015)



There you go.

[B0ycey]

The Remain vote split Thomas hence why the Lib Dems forecast was low. Although they would have been contestants in many marginal seats until Corbyn dropped the austerity bombshell.



Nonetheless what make you think I live in England? I haven't been there for over 5 months. And I am glad you like immigration.



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Many Socialists want Scottish Independence as much as you. For me it was Trident. And now it is just to get away from the Tories.

[Thomas]

Are we to pretend that Blairites are Socialist reformists?

of course not , and please quote where i am suggesting otherwise?

Although you can repeat your nonsense as much as you like, the Tories are in power because they didn't split their vote

 :: no shit sherlock.

Had Labour been a Brexit Party,

Although that was never going to happen ( too many in the party were pro european blairites , who hated corbyn enough already. Had he forced them to become pro brexit , its surely would have tipped them over the edge and split the party asunder for good) maybe this would have been the better option for the leadership rather than taking starmer and cos half hearted anti democratic view of brexit.



Corbyns gones now , and while many of the blairites delusionists believe their problems are gone with him , the fact remains labour are now seen as an anti democratic anti brexit party headed by a pro european who spnt years trying to thwart the brexit will of the english people. I cant see how they progress much in the coming elections with all that baggaage , and as such , englands left have no one to vote for .

the Lib Dems would be in power because that was how things we playing out before Corbyn had to decide what to do next.

What a load of horshit.



Sir john curtice the pollig guru said before the election the lib dems were challenging at best in 22 constituencies where they had a slight chance of winning.



Since when has 22 mps put a party in power?



The majority in england wanted brexit , so its hard to see how the lib dems got into power from english constituenices , and the snp mopped up the pro european vote in scotland , putting swinson right out on her arse .



The liberals never had a cats chance in hell of getting into power if labour had been a brexit party. The numbers just werent there for them.

He couldn't win the last election because whatever he did would have helped out another party.

Not to mention we absolutelh humped you in scotland , put you into fourth place( which had long been predicted) and gave you yer worse vote since 1910 in scotland.



As i said , they wasnt ever a cats chance in hell of the left uniting in some rainbow coaltion , as no one british party would ever take on board support from the snp. .......and i would suggest ignoring 48 snp mps in westminster , the third biggest party , would be hard for any left wing coaltion to take power. :brd:

 You only seem interested in looking at seats it seems and not polls because if you did, you would have realised that "Remain" has the slightly larger vote share.

The 2019 general election was all about stopping brexit. Thats what i was told on forums like this , the silent remain majority were going to win and shaft the tories etc and overturn the as yet unimplemented mandate from 2016 , and remain lost , not just marginally but feckin heavily.



Im not interested in your futile attempts to massage figures and spin voters intentions. We already dealt withthat pish about the earlier european elections and the dodgy bbc graph when you attemtped to say the same thing.



Remain knew the rules of fptp , knew exactly what they had to do  , stood on a stop brexit ticket , and the english electorate ( and welsh) gave you a severe kicking.



The only place reamin won and won handsomely was in scotland , with the vast majority also wanting out of the uk. So dont count my scottish remain vote as a british remain vote , because as i told you before , i am completely opposed to britain remaining in the eu , as this isnt wah tthe majority voted for when they had the chance in 2016.



So you are of course talking cac ,as ever , and spinning a web of bullshit and deceit.

And as such you haven't got a clue what happened the last election

Let me sum it up for you .......the english left remainers got a severe humping , and the SNP and tories won respective landslide in their two countries.



You go into denial  though mate , you are only making yourself look silly.

But continue your BS. Starmer is merely warming the seat waiting for the next generation to bring forward a new Corbyn.

 ::



I havent laughed so hard since english remainers told me they were going to win the last election. :roll:  ::

[B0ycey]

What about the head of the brit left , sir keir knight of the realm starmer?



Havent heard a feckin dickie bird from him since he got elected. ::

Are we to pretend that Blairites are Socialist reformists?



Although you can repeat your nonsense as much as you like, the Tories are in power because they didn't split their vote. Had Labour been a Brexit Party, the Lib Dems would be in power because that was how things we playing out before Corbyn had to decide what to do next. He couldn't win the last election because whatever he did would have helped out another party. You only seem interested in looking at seats it seems and not polls because if you did, you would have realised that "Remain" has the slightly larger vote share. And as such you haven't got a clue what happened the last election. But continue your BS. Starmer is merely warming the seat waiting for the next generation to bring forward a new Corbyn.

[Thomas]

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[papasmurf]

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[Thomas]

Even if he was fined, Johnson would still say Cummings didn't do anything wrong at the daily briefing. ::

Massive westminster majority and five years to the next election , i think he will brush off the left whinging and ride things out while keeping his main man.



Cummings really seens to send the brit left into a complete frenzy whatever he does , should be a usefull weapon for the tories to keep tucked up in their arsenal and bring out whenever they feel the need to upset the brothers and sisters.



What about the head of the brit left , sir keir knight of the realm starmer?



Havent heard a feckin dickie bird from him since he got elected. ::

[Thomas]

So no change there Tommy  

Pretty much borkie.



On the plus side , i see normal politics is starting to resume.



You have had labour trying to stir up the teaching unions to make the tories look bad and lose face , and now the brit left whingers are going for cummings.



As we progress through the year and hopefully covid 19 fades into a bad memory , we both know the hysterics will start ranting as we approach a potential hard brexit.



Should be fun , even my mate dynamis is having a bit of a melt down which is always a good sign. :roll:  ::

[papasmurf]

Am I to infer you (like me) believe it wasnt Cameron's dick in that pig .....

Strange initiation ceremonies apply to all members of such strange clubs.

[Borchester]

The brit left seem to be working themselves into a frenzy no one else cares much about.

So no change there Tommy